[kistar]

Originally Posted by adamski94

But doesnt ashliegh hate helen because toya does

What?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by kistar

What?

Ashliegh was up helens arse until toya took a dislike

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Ashliegh was up helens arse until toya took a dislike

That's really not quite true. Even if they both stopped liking her at the same time, doesn't mean one of them followed the other. Helen could have just pissed them off at the same time

Ash has just confirmed that Helen's stories cause him to have bad feelings against Ashleigh where he otherwise wouldn't have any

[Denver]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

That's really not quite true. Even if they both stopped liking her at the same time, doesn't mean one of them followed the other. Helen could have just pissed them off at the same time

Ash has just confirmed that Helen's stories cause him to have bad feelings against Ashleigh where he otherwise wouldn't have any

Look back at the series ashliegh followed helen like a sheep

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Look back at the series ashliegh followed helen like a sheep

iirc she hasn't. She has tried to challenge Helen at most opportunity's including trying to get Ash up for eviction when it was Girl Power week.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

That's really not quite true. Even if they both stopped liking her at the same time, doesn't mean one of them followed the other. Helen could have just pissed them off at the same time

Ash has just confirmed that Helen's stories cause him to have bad feelings against Ashleigh where he otherwise wouldn't have any

Yes, he said he thought Ashleigh was a really nice girl. He obviously didn't see anything that bothered him, apart from what Helen told him. That is a VERY telling statement.
I have noticed for some time that Ash likes Ashleigh and has no problem with her, and vice versa. I think Ashleigh thinks differently about him than she did six weeks ago, when he was laughing along with Helen as she called people names. She couldn't touch Helen with her free pass, so she went for her bestie Ash who seemed to encourage her nastiness.
But as she has gotten to know Ash better, she likes him. And he likes her, and it seems he now realizes Helen has been poisoning him against Ashleigh, which is understandable in a way as she wanted him on her side.
Nice to see him being honest, as he has been with Helen the last few days, sometimes in a jokey way - but still letting her know the score.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, he said he thought Ashleigh was a really nice girl. He obviously didn't see anything that bothered him, apart from what Helen told him. That is a VERY telling statement.
I have noticed for some time that Ash likes Ashleigh and has no problem with her, and vice versa. I think Ashleigh thinks differently about him than she did six weeks ago, when he was laughing along with Helen as she called people names. She couldn't touch Helen with her free pass, so she went for her bestie Ash who seemed to encourage her nastiness.
But as she has gotten to know Ash better, she likes him. And he likes her, and it seems he now realizes Helen has been poisoning him against Ashleigh, which is understandable in a way as she wanted him on her side.
Nice to see him being honest, as he has been with Helen the last few days, sometimes in a jokey way - but still letting her know the score.

Yeah I'm glad to see he does have a mind of his own. I used to believe he was just up Helen's arse and nothing else, but for him to say this when Helen was mid-rant about what Ashleigh has been saying about her showed he is able to be honest with Helen even if she wouldn't necessarily agree.

I feel that Ashleigh and Ash's tension was partly an unfortunate result of the "house divide", and as you say, over time she's been more able to see him for him and not just as Helen's sidekick.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, he said he thought Ashleigh was a really nice girl. He obviously didn't see anything that bothered him, apart from what Helen told him. That is a VERY telling statement.
I have noticed for some time that Ash likes Ashleigh and has no problem with her, and vice versa. I think Ashleigh thinks differently about him than she did six weeks ago, when he was laughing along with Helen as she called people names. She couldn't touch Helen with her free pass, so she went for her bestie Ash who seemed to encourage her nastiness.
But as she has gotten to know Ash better, she likes him. And he likes her, and it seems he now realizes Helen has been poisoning him against Ashleigh, which is understandable in a way as she wanted him on her side.
Nice to see him being honest, as he has been with Helen the last few days, sometimes in a jokey way - but still letting her know the score.

..yeah, that was obviously all past for him and no grudges/clean slate etc and Ashleigh has obviously changed her views on him as well over time and been able to 'separate' him from Helen and in his own right, likes him as a person..which was much harder at the time she tried to manipulate him not being saved, that's what time does and how friendships, opinions etc change and I've always liked that about the house because it really does go deeper into 'experiment' type thing ...and actually since that power girl thing and since they seem to have had a better relationship, I really haven't seen any criticism from either of them for the other but I do sense when there are 'truces' from Helen, Ash feels more able and comfortable with open affection for Ashleigh as a friend but at the two females most 'hostile' times, he seems to 'avoid' her more or at least that to me is what has been shown in the HL but it could be a BB manipulation...


..I'm not entirely sure though whether I agree about Ash and his recent 'jokey honesty' with Helen...I think he has seen through the trial thing how she may be perceived by the public and he's kind of trying to 'damage limit' himself....having said that and all in all, he's not too bad a guy, flawed but I don't think in any way spiteful, mean or anything and not someone who holds onto negative feelings...