[delta]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

I watched this video this morning and spoke about it somewhere I said then and say it now I want him out fast.

I cannot bring myself to watch it he annoys me that much!!



BTW- Great avatar of the KING !!!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Tip

It could well be that Gary's brain injury is the reason but we don't actually know that.

I've looked after people with brain injuries too, and they all had pretty unique behavioural problems.

If it was definitively the case that it was brain injury causing Gary to behave in certain ways, then BB would be doing everyone a favour if they made that known.

I agree. I think it would be essential that they make that known. Imagine the HM's coming out and finding it was the brain injury making him behave like that and they didn't know. I imagine they would be furious that they weren't told and just thought he was a rude and aggravating old so - and - so who was riling them up on purpose and they looked really bad for not understanding...

So maybe his brain injury doesn't affect him in those ways as they HM's are tested before going in there. I wish we knew one way or the other as it could change our perceptions, and the HM's too of course.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by jet

I agree. I think it would be essential that they make that known. Imagine the HM's coming out and finding it was the brain injury making him behave like that and they didn't know. I imagine they would be furious that they weren't told and just thought he was a rude and aggravating old so - and - so who was riling them up on purpose and they looked really bad for not understanding...

So maybe his brain injury doesn't affect him in those ways as they HM's are tested before going in there. I wish we knew one way or the other as it could change our perceptions, and the HM's too of course.

Me too, whenever I perceive Gary's behaviour to be rude/difficult I can't help but wonder if it's due to his brain injury so I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Maybe you've seen this before but I'll say it anyway just incase. I know it's only wikipedia so not a great source, but it says that a doctor claimed Gary's mental filters were affected by his injury and was prescribed drugs to reduce that. It claims the source is from Celeb Rehab but I've never seen the show so couldn't say if it was really shown on there, or if the show is "real". If true, sounds like Gary's impulsivity (interrupting conversations etc.) could be a symptom of his injury. And if that is true, I feel really bad for Gary when housemates shout at him/nom him for interrupting.. He probably doesn't quite get what the problem is.

[abhorson]

I really think the the clue is in not reacting/ biting back, back stabbing, slagging off, getting angry, OTT reactions. This is not normal BB behaviour.

Either that or he deserves TEN Oscars.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by abhorson

I really think the the clue is in not reacting/ biting back, back stabbing, slagging off, getting angry, OTT reactions. This is not normal BB behaviour.

Either that or he deserves TEN Oscars.

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

That puts me right off too. but i put it down to brain damage

[jet]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Me too, whenever I perceive Gary's behaviour to be rude/difficult I can't help but wonder if it's due to his brain injury so I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Maybe you've seen this before but I'll say it anyway just incase. I know it's only wikipedia so not a great source, but it says that a doctor claimed Gary's mental filters were affected by his injury and was prescribed drugs to reduce that. It claims the source is from Celeb Rehab but I've never seen the show so couldn't say if it was really shown on there, or if the show is "real". If true, sounds like Gary's impulsivity (interrupting conversations etc.) could be a symptom of his injury. And if that is true, I feel really bad for Gary when housemates shout at him/nom him for interrupting.. He probably doesn't quite get what the problem is.

Which is why the HM's should be told if that is the case, otherwise it is just cruel to Gary and unfair on them not to be aware of that.
I didn't see Celeb rehab either, though I've heard about him on it, so I can't say.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by jet

Which is why the HM's should be told if that is the case, otherwise it is just cruel to Gary and unfair on them not to be aware of that.
I didn't see Celeb rehab either, though I've heard about him on it, so I can't say.

Yeah I'd be so angry if I was James and had been ranting at Gary about stuff that actually was due to his brain injury and I'd had no idea about. Really unfair.

[Jules2]

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

[jessicadanielle]

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

Agreed. James himself gave Frenchy a lecture when she apologised for throwing food etc. that an apology isn't worth anything if there's no feeling behind it and you're just saying it because you were told. Seems similar with James to me... his help means nothing if there's no feeling behind it, which there doesn't seem to be when he talks sh*t about Gary afterwards.

[jessicadanielle]

Sorry for the misquote above. It won't let me edit for some reason.

[abhorson]

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

Well said.

Whether he knows or not, this would stand.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

Sorry for the misquote above. It won't let me edit for some reason.

Hi Jessie I think it is because I took it off to edit it but we must have acted at the same time. I did put more onto it but I think you have got it down to a T.

[jet]

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

I doubt he thinks losing his temper with Gary is doing him good with the viewers. I think he is just being himself - short fused. And yes, he does seem to have a big ego, as do most of them.

[Liam-]

So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person?

[abhorson]

Because he was asked too by BB because of his intolerence. Was he going to say NO. ?

Now most can see it in a begruding way.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Tip

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

He certainly has a knowledge of spiritual things but it doesnt make him superior. If we all sat in class and were taught geography, I would be hopeless whereas another being would be top of the class. I wouldnt deem that person superior though. Everything imo depends on what we want to learn, many resort to religion and think they have the true answers etc. etc. Gary just wants to learn more and more and once a truth has been shown it is hard to let it go. At the time it is our own truth, I have many, the same as others. Nevertheless none of us is superior. It is all life.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person?

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

Even though that is the qualities of a really vile person.

[jet]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person?

I agree, but I think James does like him, which could make it all the more frustrating as James says he tries to help him and Gary is just rude in return. So maybe bitching about him lets out those frustrations.
We either believe what James is saying and the edits aren't showing this, or he's lying even though there are camera's around 24/7. I will believe him until someone says 'He's a liar, Gary is never rude when James is helping him' - which could happen, who knows?

[Northern Monkey]

Team Gary all the way here.James is a patronising ****

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by abhorson

Because he was asked too by BB because of his intolerence. Was he going to say NO. ?

Now most can see it in a begruding way.

He was asked to make sure that Gary wasnt alienated. James was ready to say that Gary was going to be as by then the HMs were fed up with him. Imo this was due to Leslie and James making things bad for him, then the rest just fell in. BB cut in and were crafty. I thought that was very clever of them.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Team Gary all the way here.James is a patronising ****

For me as well.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

It might be two-faced, but at least he is the only one helping him with things that he needs help with, no-one else is going to do to anything for him are they?

[CaudleHalbard]

I suspect when Gary is interviewed he'll be full of praise for James.