[Kizzy]

I appreciate you work with addicts but to label them all underhand thieves is a bit unfair, nowhere in daniels post is it inferred she has been untrustworthy.
All she is guilty of at the moment is not admitting to her friends she couldn't cope and not burdening with her problems, it's fantastic they want to support her.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I appreciate you work with addicts but to label them all underhand thieves is a bit unfair, nowhere in daniels post is it inferred she has been untrustworthy.
All she is guilty of at the moment is not admitting to her friends she couldn't cope and not burdening with her problems, it's fantastic they want to support her.

I didn't say all, I said many! There is a difference.
Daniel said "all stories welcome" so any points made were for him to take on board or reject.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Angelika

I didn't say all, I said many! There is a difference.
Daniel said "all stories welcome" so any points made were for him to take on board or reject.

'You may find a pattern of lying, stealing and deception'

Your words.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'You may find a pattern of lying, stealing and deception'

Your words.

Yes, you may indeed!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I appreciate you work with addicts but to label them all underhand thieves is a bit unfair, nowhere in daniels post is it inferred she has been untrustworthy.
All she is guilty of at the moment is not admitting to her friends she couldn't cope and not burdening with her problems, it's fantastic they want to support her.

"Addiction and the drive to obtain a "fix" alters behaviour. You may find a pattern of lying, stealing and deception and plenty of justification for wrong doing when they think they are being discovered. "

I think the words; "you may" are self-explanatory - 'you might or might not', ' there is a possibility but it's not definite', 'it could be, but it might not be'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

"Addiction and the drive to obtain a "fix" alters behaviour. You may find a pattern of lying, stealing and deception and plenty of justification for wrong doing when they think they are being discovered. "

I think the words; "you may" are self-explanatory - 'you might or might not', ' there is a possibility but it's not definite', 'it could be, but it might not be'.

And this? 'Keep an eye on small valuables'... You may want to explain why this phrase was used as it appears to directly infer that the person the OP is concerned about is untrustworthy.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And this? 'Keep an eye on small valuables'... You may want to explain why this phrase was used as it appears to directly infer that the person the OP is concerned about is untrustworthy.

I think you're being pedantic Kizzy - and a tad silly. I think that it's universally accepted the character of the most honest of people changes once they are truly addicted to drugs, and the deeper that addiction is, then the more likely they are to steal in order to fund their habit. In my opinion, the advice was given in good faith, well meaning, and specifically within the context of someone trying to help the addict overcome their addiction by administering 'tough love'; something which entails deliberately depriving the addict of their 'fix'. Surely then, this would be the very time when the addict is more likely to resort to desperate measures like stealing to get that fix - hence the advice to "keep an eye on small valuables". This wasn't an attack on the addict, it was informed advice on the nature of addiction.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think you're being pedantic Kizzy - and a tad silly. I think that it's universally accepted the character of the most honest of people changes once they are truly addicted to drugs, and the deeper that addiction is, then the more likely they are to steal in order to fund their habit. In my opinion, the advice was given in good faith, well meaning, and specifically within the context of someone trying to help the addict overcome their addiction by administering 'tough love'; something which entails deliberately depriving the addict of their 'fix'. Surely then, this would be the very time when the addict is more likely to resort to desperate measures like stealing to get that fix - hence the advice to "keep an eye on small valuables". This wasn't an attack on the addict, it was informed advice on the nature of addiction.

Listen Mr Lancaster, my reply to that post was my opinion as structured by the information provided by the OP, if you or other members don't agree then that's your prerogative.
Maybe argue your own points and leave others to argue theirs.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Listen Mr Lancaster, my reply to that post was my opinion as structured by the information provided by the OP, if you or other members don't agree then that's your prerogative.
Maybe argue your own points and leave others to argue theirs.

If you look , you'll see that you actually quoted me and asked me directly the question I answered, so why you're being all snotty I don't know.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If you look , you'll see that you actually quoted me and asked me directly the question I answered, so why you're being all snotty I don't know.

You quoted me initially, raising an issue between myself and Anjelika.
But let's not get pedantic.