[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15"

But it did not go as planned
No one can control Markets.


Also its wrong of Miliband to say its a "10year plan"
as Elections are Every 5 Years now.
Such arrogance is like Kinnock

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

more don't want that snake cameron I bet!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

more don't want that snake cameron I bet!

No you are wrong
Every News has Reported
even to his face , today
said they do not want Your Ed


Watch CH4HDNews now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

Well even more don't want your David since for over 3 years now Labour has had a lead in the polls and I think that lead is underestimated too.

Only 37% of voters polled think Cameron is a good PM and he is the one already in the job for goodness sake.
So nearly two thirds haven't liked what he has been like as PM either.

When it comes to nutters,(well no I won't use that word as I don't like it),
When it comes to incompetence then George Osborne has few equals.

Since he has had to downgrade his forecasts every year since taking the job as Chancellor until recently.
Anyone, anywhere who got their forecasts figures and planning as wrong as he has over near 4 years, in any other industry would have been out of the job sharpish.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03...bour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.u...e-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index...s-bedroom-tax/

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by anne666

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03...bour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.u...e-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index...s-bedroom-tax/

I would hope you watched the 2010 election as I did and took notice of all the interviews too.
In fact I would love to see a re-run of the election campaign for 2015, pointing out the aim to clear the deficit by 2015,indeed eliminating it was the word used.

I would also like shown David Cameron's pledge that there would be no top down re-organisation of the NHS, another deceit.

However,below is a snippet from 'Conservative home', with the first exchange between Osborne and Johnson,wherein Johnson asks Osborne about the aim of eliminating the deficit to which simply Osborne says yes it is.

Labour would never have applied any spare room tax to the most vulnerable and poorest,genuinely sick, disabled and terminally ill.
They would never have got such a policy through with their own MP's,this Govt has been told repeatedly by carers, the CAB, welfare groups and charities since this came in of the devastation caused to people who are vulnerable as to the bedroom tax.
They take not a bit of notice.

That may possibly,I don't know, be something you can accept and admire but it isn't something I like to see fall on my fellow citizens who are the most in need.

AS for Labour leaving the debt behind, no matter what Govt. was in power that same crash was still going to come and the recession too.
Neither party, the Conservatives nor Labour in the formers 18 unbroken years of power to 1997,then the latters 13 years of power did really anything to regulate the Banking industry.
No matter what party was in power when the crisis and recession hit, just as with most Countries around the world,some negative legacy was going to be left after it.

Labour chose the financial way, they built up the deficit and borrowed,thereby leaving a financial burden on the state,no argument as to that.
They could have done what the Conservatives would have likely done and indeed what they did in the 1980s.
They could have allowed jobs to go left,right and centre and see unemployment rise to ridiculous levels.
Thereby leaving human cost instead of financial cost behind.

It had to be one or the other,I wonder if you would have preferred to see people losing their jobs all over the place like they did in the 80s rather than try another,although costly way but one that would save a great number of jobs and keep people in work.

Both were unsavoury to me but one had to be the result of that recession, the Conservatives if in power would have had no utilities to sell off as they did in the 80s,so again unemployment would have risen likely dramatically and so the welfare costs would have rocketed.




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