[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't think women need to take some responsibility for their own safety? Shouldn't drunk drivers be treated in the same way then, when they crash a car and injur themselves?

Generally speaking one would think that a car is a little less liable to think "hang on, let's not rape and batter this girl" than a man should be...

[Z]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Generally speaking one would think that a car is a little less liable to think "hang on, let's not rape and batter this girl" than a man should be...

I dunno man, I heard this Volvo saying some pretty dark **** the other night when I was walking home

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Z

I dunno man, I heard this Volvo saying some pretty dark **** the other night when I was walking home

Are you one of those people who has love affairs with motor vehicles?

[Z]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you one of those people who has love affairs with motor vehicles?

You're telling me you've never looked at a Smart car and thought damn...?

On a serious note, I agree with you and Livia about rape deterrents. You're a victim regardless of the circumstances but you've got a better chance at not being a victim if you're in control of your mental faculties; getting really hammered, having sex with someone who's taking advantage of you and then being upset about it isn't the same as being stalked and brutally attacked or being assaulted by someone you know in a safe environment or any other kind of rape, in my opinion. The comparison with the leaving baggage unattended is pretty spot on.