[waterhog]

labour - your new idea is like - closing the boarder after the immigrant has bolted 19.11.14

is it the first of April
and you are having a giggle
no way are you capable
out of this you can not wriggle.
you absolutely destroyed the system
it was a open door
people flowing better then any rhythm
you refused to listen when there was up-raw.
it was simple and not hard
Ukip will insist
but everyone was terrified of that "card"
worse then any crime is to be racist.
started the influx
the offer was arousing
free food, health care and bucks
did i mention free housing.
out Labour got booted
enter the only "hope" the "Tory"
but the Conservatives can not be saluted
to the problem they added no glory.
now on the gain
got voters and the proportion is large
Labour and the conservative's supplied the "gravy train"
so its hypocritical to be speaking and agreeing with the "Farage".

( in difficult times i feel this country should be supporting there own. god no's how many people will die of the cold this winter as they can not afford to heat there home or don't have enough to but decent food to stay healthy. that's why i am angry at labour and the conservative's as not only did both contribute to the problem we are now facing, both lacked the care for there own people and that is disgraceful. Ukip are on the mass rise so i am not the only one they feels like this as there support is getting bigger all the time. just wondered which one of these you will be supporting. 1.http://www.labour.org.uk/ 2.https://www.conservatives.com/3.http...ukip.org/index 4. crazypoetonline.org if you are supporting option 4 please show your commitment and commit your loyalty and reply poetically for a guarantee membership. if i have missed a party please highlight it and leave a link. thank you.)

[joeysteele]

Labour has admitted they got immigration wrong when in power, again with this coalition Govt, they have failed to achieve any of their targets as to immigration.

Immigration is such an explosive issue that it is one of those things that should be decided on a consensus route in politics.
David Cameron made a ridiculous pledge as to immigration in the 2010 election and one way it will never be set up to be acceptable and consistent in how it happens is to have the political parties using it to further themselves,rather than deal with it.

It needs all the likely governing parties to agree a policy and then have continuity to the policy implemented.
Not this blame game the aprties get into now,neither are better than the other as to immigration and also, it needs to be stopped from being made a dirty word by this present Govt. and the sickening media too.

I agree with what Lbaour are saying are saying as to the benefit controls for those coming to the UK and the time before they get them however that will need some support from the EU to set that up in full.
I also agree with the border controls Labour suggest too.

I felt the figure David Cameron was spouting off about in 2010,which was a vague tens of thousands figure,was likely too low and ill thought out.
He and this Govt he leads has failed miserably too as to their immigration policy and for that is just further evidence that it needs taking out of the polical arena and all heads in all parties work together on it as adults should be able to do.

[waterhog]

i remember when labour got in and how thrilled i was and i remember the decline when t. blair went and that was labours downfall - they were clueless. it got so bad they soon got booted but the tories have done no better. this is why again ukip are on the rise. they see the problem - not afraid to say the problem and have action on the problem. weather you like them on not you have to respect ukip are the only party doing it correctly.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by waterhog

i remember when labour got in and how thrilled i was and i remember the decline when t. blair went and that was labours downfall - they were clueless. it got so bad they soon got booted but the tories have done no better. this is why again ukip are on the rise. they see the problem - not afraid to say the problem and have action on the problem. weather you like them on not you have to respect ukip are the only party doing it correctly.

That is the thing however,it should not be seen as a problem,it shouldn't be treated as a bad thing by anyone aspiring to have any say in Govt.

UKIP demonising and now this present Govt doing so to a degree tooas to immigration only brings out the negatives as to reasoned debate on the subject.
Both govts of the major parties have failed badly as to the issue,however taking the sting out of UKIP's demonisation of immigration by working together to find a concensus on the issue, would not only defuse the nastiness that exists now towards immigration but could even bring about a sensible policy as to it for the long term future too.

I don't think demonising any immigrants or anyone else or any sections of society for that matter is any positive or right way forward and therefore I treat with contempt the way UKIP love to use immigration and the EU particularly as the reason for all the UK's ills.

To me UKIP are now a very dangerous party for the future of the UK indeed in politics,for all the wrong reasons.