[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Fair enough - but seriously have you seen the amount of waste within the government? A lot within the House of Lords too. £260k a year on champagne is fcking ridiculous

In defence of the House of Lords, it's not like they sit quaffing champagne all day. A lot of it will be used for entertaining business leaders, foreign dignitaries, even constituents. The waste I was referring to is, for instance, the Ministry of Defence. Run by civilians with no clue how the armed forces work, they waste enough money every year to hire and equip an extra regiment. This at the same time they're cutting the forces to the bone while committing them to cover more areas. B*stards...

Off topic, but I was on a roll...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

In defence of the House of Lords, it's not like they sit quaffing champagne all day. A lot of it will be used for entertaining business leaders, foreign dignitaries, even constituents. The waste I was referring to is, for instance, the Ministry of Defence. Run by civilians with no clue how the armed forces work, they waste enough money every year to hire and equip an extra regiment. This at the same time they're cutting the forces to the bone while committing them to cover more areas. B*stards...

Off topic, but I was on a roll...

You may be a bit off topic but then again not really in my view,as you 'are' talking about waste and since the govt; is on about waste at the BBC, you are well within the range of extension of the topic, to point out waste you know as to govt; too.

I agree with all your post above too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

In defence of the House of Lords, it's not like they sit quaffing champagne all day. A lot of it will be used for entertaining business leaders, foreign dignitaries, even constituents. The waste I was referring to is, for instance, the Ministry of Defence. Run by civilians with no clue how the armed forces work, they waste enough money every year to hire and equip an extra regiment. This at the same time they're cutting the forces to the bone while committing them to cover more areas. B*stards...

Off topic, but I was on a roll...

Don't we have ELECTED representatives to do this?...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't we have ELECTED representatives to do this?...

/shade

but seriously how on earth can we call ourselves a democratic country when all laws are passed on to an unelected body that can change them as they wish and refuse to pass any they don't like

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't we have ELECTED representatives to do this?...

Yes thats why it Took getting No good
getting rid of New Labour
so the Conservatives can do this

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes thats why it Took getting No good
getting rid of New Labour
so the Conservatives can do this

To be fair in all parties there are those who think the Licence needs to be looked at and several who think it should be gone.
I know Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem MPs who would like to see the licence scrapped completely.

It needs however a party to be brave enough to say enough is enough and make it policy to get rid of it, better still for all the parties to agree it is time to get rid of it and then no single party can be blamed for the loss of it to the BBC.

One things for sure, in my view anyway, is that whatever party does one day say they will get rid of this thing, the votes would likely pile in for that party.

At the £145+ it is,that would be a great benefit to everyone but particularly to those at the lowest end of things.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To be fair in all parties there are those who think the Licence needs to be looked at and several who think it should be gone.
I know Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem MPs who would like to see the licence scrapped completely.

It needs however a party to be brave enough to say enough is enough and make it policy to get rid of it, better still for all the parties to agree it is time to get rid of it and then no single party can be blamed for the loss of it to the BBC.

One things for sure, in my view anyway, is that whatever party does one day say they will get rid of this thing, the votes would likely pile in for that party.

At the £145+ it is,that would be a great benefit to everyone but particularly to those at the lowest end of things.

Yes but The BBC
was more protected
under New Labour
thats a fact

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but The BBC
was more protected
under New Labour
thats a fact

I haven't seen any difference at all between both parties when in govt; to be honest,as to the Licence fee.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes thats why it Took getting No good
getting rid of New Labour
so the Conservatives can do this

If the conservatives get rid of the lords I will pledge my undying allegiance to them, become a royalist and a christian too

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If the conservatives get rid of the lords I will pledge my undying allegiance to them, become a royalist and a christian too

Really,

See,I don't mind the Lords as such,I would like to see a better balanced lords but I do feel as for both Parties when in govt; the House of Lords has delayed the progress of contentious bills and even forced govts; to think again.

I am definitely not in favour of a second elected chamber with the likely higher salaries they would need to be on and then too seeing perhaps govts; paralysed bya second chamber elected at a different time to the original general election.