[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

OK so you accept there is a nuance to this kind of issue?

The police will treat each incidence differently but have training and procedure to fall back on

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The police will treat each incidence differently but have training and procedure to fall back on

So when confronted by a semi naked unarmed man the procedure is to shoot first.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Unbelievable.

You should fly out there
and check LA Police being killed
its not nice

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

You should fly out there
and check LA Police being killed
its not nice

Been and seen it. Still doesn't excuse cops killing so many unarmed citizens

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So when confronted by a semi naked unarmed man the procedure is to shoot first.

No you do not know he was unarmed

sounds like he was a dealer

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No you do not know he was unarmed

sounds like he was a dealer

The police have confirmed he was unarmed. Every report states he had no shirt on so let accept he was unarmed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Been and seen it. Still doesn't excuse cops killing so many unarmed citizens

It depends if they cross the line.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The police have confirmed he was unarmed. Every report states he had no shirt on so let accept he was unarmed.

in the report the law enforcement officer said that he could not confirm that

[Crimson Dynamo]

edit

now they say he was not armed (but they did not know that for sure at the time obviously)

Cruice allegedly “advanced on a member of the SWAT Team who was entering the residence,”

bad move from the perp when facing a swat team shouting to get down

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

in the report the law enforcement officer said that he could not confirm that

The 14th line of the article states the following

The sheriff's department confirmed that Cruice was unarmed at the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation. They’re designed to do this. I doubt that Cruice knowingly decided to take on a raiding police team armed only with his basketball shorts. It seems far more likely that he thought they were criminal intruders and was either trying to confront them, or was trying to escape. But there is no room for errors in judgment for the people on the receiving end of these raids — even though sowing confusion and disorientation are the stated aim. But it is only the suspects, the targets of the raids, who are expected to do everything right. When the police screw up and kill someone, they’re generally forgiven, owing again to the volatility of the situation."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...raid-fatality/


welcome to America, have a nice day

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

edit

now they say he was not armed (but they did not know that for sure at the time obviously)

Cruice allegedly “advanced on a member of the SWAT Team who was entering the residence,”

bad move from the perp when facing a swat team shouting to get down

You're adding bits onto the story. Why dont we stick to what has been reported. As I pointed out, the man had no shirt on so I dont see how the officer was unsure. He had to be some kind of master criminal to conceal a weapon in that state at 6 in the morning. But you're right he resisted so they shot him..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

You're adding bits onto the story. Why dont we stick to what has been reported. As I pointed out, the man had no shirt on so I dont see how the officer was unsure. He had to be some kind of master criminal to conceal a weapon in that state at 6 in the morning. But you're right he resisted so they shot him..

no i am not, how do you think they know he has not got a gun in his waistband at the back?

or one nearbye at the door?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"It seems likely that Cruice was dealing pot. The police say they found a ledger book, a scale, about a half-pound of marijuana and some cash. It also seems likely that if the police had simply knocked on the door and waited, or apprehended Cruice as he was coming or going, Cruice would be still be alive. This insistence on serving drug warrants by barreling into homes creates needless violence, confusion and confrontation. They’re designed to do this. I doubt that Cruice knowingly decided to take on a raiding police team armed only with his basketball shorts. It seems far more likely that he thought they were criminal intruders and was either trying to confront them, or was trying to escape. But there is no room for errors in judgment for the people on the receiving end of these raids — even though sowing confusion and disorientation are the stated aim. But it is only the suspects, the targets of the raids, who are expected to do everything right. When the police screw up and kill someone, they’re generally forgiven, owing again to the volatility of the situation."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...raid-fatality/


welcome to America, have a nice day

This is all speculation but if you want to believe then so be it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

This is all speculation but if you want to believe then so be it.

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no i am not, how do you think they know he has not got a gun in his waistband at the back?

or one nearbye at the door?

Adding more and more and more. IF this is how you justify you're attitude then good luck to you but I'd rather stick to what has been reported

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

You picked one paragraph out of an article that was quite fair to justify your attitude.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its better than thinking that all police are psychotic murderers

LMAO

I bet my vision of police is alot more accurate than yours.,

[GiRTh]

SO much in that article you could have picked out but you picked the only bit that fits your attitude.

If he was shot in the doorway, it seems unlikely he had much time to process what was going on around him. In fact, not only was Cruice unarmed, according to his roommates, he was wearing only basketball shorts. The roommates also dispute the police account that Cruice “advanced” on them.

He was only wearing shorts but naturally he had a concealed weapon eh?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

SO much in that article you could have picked out but you picked the only bit that fits your attitude.

yeah, i am listening intently to his room mates

[GiRTh]

So judging from the many, many prior incidents similar to this one, it’s probably safe to say that this officer will be cleared of any wrongdoing. It’s also probably safe to say that any investigation will determine that there’s nothing wrong with the police department’s warrant service policies. At least that’s how these investigations usually go. And if it is determined that the cops in these cases are following policy, and that there’s nothing wrong with the policies themselves, then the only conclusion we can draw is that the police agencies believe unarmed men getting shot in the face is an acceptable consequence of the effort to stop people from getting high on marijuana.

Another section of the article./ Why dont you post all of it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yeah, i am listening intently to his room mates

No cops are rushing to shout him down and say he's lying so what was your point again?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No cops are rushing to shout him down and say he's lying so what was your point again?

they do not get involved with witness statements ie comment on them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Another section of the article./ Why dont you post all of it?

too long

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they do not get involved with witness statements ie comment on them

The police official statement is very close to the eye witness who you wish to discredit.