[Kizzy]

He'll outsource the NHS... Nuff said.

He's attempting to appeal to your atypical bish bosh essex man, and Jerusalem warbling middle English.

I'm not fooled.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He'll outsource the NHS... Nuff said.

He's attempting to appeal to your atypical bish bosh essex man, and Jerusalem warbling middle English.

I'm not fooled.

No? But you're a staunch Labour supporter? I will compose a nice long POST containing nothing but irrefutable facts about how successive Labour Governments have continually 'fooled' their supporters as well as the rest of the country - I know, I was once a staunch Labour Supporter myself.

Second guessing with such finality just what Farage might do in the future, whilst ignoring all the deceitful 'U turning' and breeching of promises that Labour have already HISTORICALLY done is laughable. Nuff said.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No? But you're a staunch Labour supporter? I will compose a nice long POST containing nothing but irrefutable facts about how successive Labour Governments have continually 'fooled' their supporters as well as the rest of the country - I know, I was once a staunch Labour Supporter myself.

Second guessing with such finality just what Farage might do in the future, whilst ignoring all the deceitful 'U turning' and breeching of promises that Labour have already HISTORICALLY done is laughable. Nuff said.

I think all govts; have to do u turns at times, I actually think in govt; Labour does most of what it sets out to do and obviously will fail to on other things,
Labour for instance, rarely enjoyed the comfortable majorities the Conservative party got to be fair.

Since 1945 up to 1997, over half a century,Labour only ever got 2 comfortable working majorities in elections,whereas the Conservatives had 8.
That is bound to cause difficulties especially in a hostile house of commons.
Tony Blair's Labour govts; were in fact just mild Conservative ones really, very little was evident of wha Labours values were got included in those terms of office.
At least Ed Miliband has returned in part to more Labour values.

I don't object to u turns if they are necessary and have compassion and fairness at the heart of them.
Such as the Conservatives u turn on the poll tax.

Blatant lies are a different thing and misleading the voters intentionally,things this coalitionhas done, Cameron with the NHS, the Lib Dems with tuition fees.
those 2 things,trebling the fees and a top down re-organisation fo the NHS were not in either coalition parties manifesto.
For me they abused power even doing them.

That annoys me more than the odd u turn or need for some crisis management as to policy for a short time.
In fact I think any govt; that breaks its trust with the voters on the 2 issues,in the way they did that I mention above, deserve to pay very heavily indeed for that misleading of the voters and the blatant lying behind them too.

I nver thought I would see the day I was happy to say I was a Labour supporter but by all powers that be, I am now and this lot I am glad to say, I could nver support for those betrayals and lies.
They were betrayals and lies that were unnecessary but they did them anyway and the speed with which they enacted those policies too once in power, showed clearly, that was a 'hidden' agenda.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think all govts; have to do u turns at times, I actually think in govt; Labour does most of what it sets out to do and obviously will fail to on other things,
Labour for instance, rarely enjoyed the comfortable majorities the Conservative party got to be fair.

Since 1945 up to 1997, over half a century,Labour only ever got 2 comfortable working majorities in elections,whereas the Conservatives had 8.
That is bound to cause difficulties especially in a hostile house of commons.
Tony Blair's Labour govts; were in fact just mild Conservative ones really, very little was evident of wha Labours values were got included in those terms of office.
At least Ed Miliband has returned in part to more Labour values.

I don't object to u turns if they are necessary and have compassion and fairness at the heart of them.
Such as the Conservatives u turn on the poll tax.

Blatant lies are a different thing and misleading the voters intentionally,things this coalitionhas done, Cameron with the NHS, the Lib Dems with tuition fees.
those 2 things,trebling the fees and a top down re-organisation fo the NHS were not in either coalition parties manifesto.
For me they abused power even doing them.

That annoys me more than the odd u turn or need for some crisis management as to policy for a short time.
In fact I think any govt; that breaks its trust with the voters on the 2 issues,in the way they did that I mention above, deserve to pay very heavily indeed for that misleading of the voters and the blatant lying behind them too.

I nver thought I would see the day I was happy to say I was a Labour supporter but by all powers that be, I am now and this lot I am glad to say, I could nver support for those betrayals and lies.
They were betrayals and lies that were unnecessary but they did them anyway and the speed with which they enacted those policies too once in power, showed clearly, that was a 'hidden' agenda.

I think you need to be careful about saying governments did U turns etc. Those in opposition make a commitment based on the information they are aware of at the time. The current government were left a far bigger mess to clean up than anyone at the time realised. This obviously forced some re-thinking and adapting of policies. Would you rather a government continued with its head in the sand rather than learning and adapting? I know which I prefer.

We vote for a party because we trust them to do the right thing - if we don't trust them, they shouldn't get our vote - simple. No political party would have come out looking good after the last 4 years. They simply have not had enough room to offer people what the need/want to feel comfortable and secure again. The fact that the Conservatives are still in with a healthy chance of winning the next election is an amazing achievement in my opinion.