[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

SNIPK

Decisions, decisions I have no clue who to vote for it won't be UKIP though

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Most don't want to break up the UK

Some do in the Zone
Kizzy Lives

[Pete.]

Nick Clegg - 0%

Lol

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Decisions, decisions I have no clue who to vote for it won't be UKIP though

Conservative
Stable and Safer

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not doing too badly are you, you don't have to pay for your viagra will you vote UKIP or SNP ?

LT doesn't need Viagara - He needs Niagara to cool him down.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

This^ Truth

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That's the thing though Joey I think she would only be interested in promoting Scottish issues to the detriment of the rest.

Hi Cherie
Personally, I don't think she would and anyway it would need to be Alex Salmond included in the plans too.
However both Labour and the SNP have ruled out a full coalition if it is possible to make a govt; with SNP support.
So it would be a confidence and supply measure which really means that the SNP would not ensure the govt; is in any danger of falling.

I honestly think,the SNP at best would hope to gain a bit more as to powers for the Scottish assembly and I see nothing wrong as to that, and also to negotiate a brake on too severe austerity cuts with much more compassion included as to same across the whole UK.

I doubt they would make trident a major issue, for only a confidence and supply arrangement.
Then again, I don't see why if the Scots don't want trident based there why it cannot be moved south, say to Portsmouth or somewhere on the South coast.
Let the far Southern people who demand so much from the rest of the UK and end up dictating to the rest of the UK by electing Conservative govts; repeatedly, have it,if they are so keen on it.
They would scream like crazy if it was moved there likely but are happy to have it shoved into Scotland.

I think myself, the SNP could be a good moderating force as to compassion and fairness in policies that would benefit the whole of the UK not just Scotland.
That is what I would like to believe and hope for anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just found it a bit hypocritical of her as her party would have taken Scotland out albeit temporarily, there were no guarantees of re entry. Even though I thought she came across well I wouldn't want SNP to be part of a coalition, The SNP only wish to feather Scotlands nest and have no interest in what happens elsewhere if they can swing no tuition fees and prescription charges what would they do if the got into Westminster.

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

I for one would sure love to have them in the whole of the UK. Cameron and co say it cannot be done, yet the SNP has managed it in Scotland.
I actually think it a pity more parties don't think like the SNP.
Cameron and his govt; prefer to bring about suffering to people who shouldn't have to suffer in any way.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hang on am I missing something, how are these points a negative, wouldn't we here in the rest of the UK want these?

Well we would but I doubt the SNP would be arsed, its now reported that Nicola would prefer Cameron as PM...any truth in that I wonder

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well we would but I doubt the SNP would be arsed, its now reported that Nicola would prefer Cameron as PM...any truth in that I wonder

She denies it, and I very much doubt that it's true... the only reason I can see it being true is that the Scots (*ahem*, rightly) despise the Tories and the longer the UK is under Tory rule, the more likely it is that Scottish people will want independence.

[Kizzy]

I doubt it too, in fact I thought she hinted at a link to Labour last night as she said Miliband needed someone to sort him out or words to that effect.

[Cherie]

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

[Brother Leon]

MC Miliband tbh

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

MC Miliband tbh

my daughter will love that.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

MC Miliband tbh

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I literally do not know who to believe, the only thing I do know is Farage is an ass.

Why is Farage an ass Cherie?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Do Labour supporters have double standards Joey? All adverse reportage concerning Farage and UKIP is 1,000% accurate and truthful and worthy of spreading - no matter how wildly preposterous - yet any media article which is negative about Labour - no matter from which sources - is 'malignant' falsehood.

Excuse me, I have never been a supporter of personal attacks on anyone, even politicians, I amy not like their politics but I nver resort to making personal attacks on them, even David Cameron who I cannot stand as a politician but I am sure he is a loyal friend and good husband and father.

Papers like the Telegraph, the Mail and the Sun are hamering Miliband in particular really disgracefully,just because they don't want him to win.
I would never support such a stance from supposedly educated grown up people who work in those publications.
Nor do I support it in the mirror against Cameron either

I have never attacked personally Nigel Farage either, that was unfair of you to make a cheap shot at that as to me.

Now one of those papers are saying Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain, that is ridiculous.
I consider UKIP as a party dangerous for the UK only in the sense I don't truts them 'as a party' and because I don't agree with leaving the EU, it is policy I disagree with,I consider leaving the EU as disastrous for the UK, it is a policy issue not a personal one.
I think a govt; with the Cosnervatives and UKIP would lead to a probablt exit from the EU,that si waht I consider dangerous, again, 'note',only on policy.
I have also condemned strongly the attacks on Nigel Farage on the thread made as to him being out with his family.
If you bothered to read that you would see I did too.
I doubt many who dislike Miliband could say the same as I can as to personal attacks on Nigel Farage.

I have,as I said earlier no problem with the press stating who they would prefer to win elections but I get appalled at some of the rotten insults thrown at Miliband personally and in the case of the Mail to his dead father too.

No double standards at all from me that I can see and quite frankly I am surprised you addressed that to myself too.
There are those however who hate the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and rightly so, who do however then relish and join in the personal and insulting jibes at how Miliband looks and talks and even eats.
Now that is more like double standards in my view but kindly refrain from saying I do double standards.

I have condemned the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and to his family as much as any UKIP supporter, and I am certainly not ,and never likely will be,a UKIP supporter.
Some however who who hate Labour , would be hard pressed to be able to say the same as to Miliband as I can concerning myself as to Nigel Farage.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excuse me, I have never been a supporter of personal attacks on anyone, even politicians, I amy not like their politics but I nver resort to making personal attacks on them, even David Cameron who I cannot stand as a politician but I am sure he is a loyal friend and good husband and father.

Papers like the Telegraph, the Mail and the Sun are hamering Miliband in particular really disgracefully,just because they don't want him to win.
I would never support such a stance from supposedly educated grown up people who work in those publications.
Nor do I support it in the mirror against Cameron either

I have never attacked personally Nigel Farage either, that was unfair of you to make a cheap shot at that as to me.

Now one of those papers are saying Nicola Sturgeon is the most dangerous woman in Britain, that is ridiculous.
I consider UKIP as a party dangerous for the UK only in the sense I don't truts them 'as a party' and because I don't agree with leaving the EU, it is policy I disagree with,I consider leaving the EU as disastrous for the UK, it is a policy issue not a personal one.
I think a govt; with the Cosnervatives and UKIP would lead to a probablt exit from the EU,that si waht I consider dangerous, again, 'note',only on policy.
I have also condemned strongly the attacks on Nigel Farage on the thread made as to him being out with his family.
If you bothered to read that you would see I did too.
I doubt many who dislike Miliband could say the same as I can as to personal attacks on Nigel Farage.

I have,as I said earlier no problem with the press stating who they would prefer to win elections but I get appalled at some of the rotten insults thrown at Miliband personally and in the case of the Mail to his dead father too.

No double standards at all from me that I can see and quite frankly I am surprised you addressed that to myself too.
There are those however who hate the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and rightly so, who do however then relish and join in the personal and insulting jibes at how Miliband looks and talks and even eats.
Now that is more like double standards in my view but kindly refrain from saying I do double standards.

I have condemned the personal attacks on Nigel Farage and to his family as much as any UKIP supporter, and I am certainly not ,and never likely will be,a UKIP supporter.
Some however who who hate Labour , would be hard pressed to be able to say the same as to Miliband as I can concerning myself as to Nigel Farage.

I did not mean you personally Joey which is why I stated; "Do Labour supporters...etc", but perhaps I should have laboured that point(no pun intended) and I unreservedly apologise to you for my oversight.

I addressed it to you because - and this is sincere - to me you are the most honest, temperate, knowledgeable and intelligent of the labour supporters on here so I wanted your answer in particular because I knew it would not be needlessly vitriolic despite your passion. (Yet I have created true irony here.)

Anyway, I agree that you personally have condemned the personal attacks on all politicians but I stand firmly by my contention that there are double standards employed on here when it comes to decreeing the validity or otherwise of reportage.

I have always personally respected you and your informed opinions despite us being on opposite sides on political issues, and that will not change Joey.

[user104658]

I think the main double standard must be UKIP supporters pointing out that Miliband looks like claymation without also realising that Farage looks like a "Spitting Image" puppet.

Like... They could bring back that show, and they wouldn't even need to make a Farage puppet, they could just use stock footage of his real face and he would fit in.

HashtagDontHaveAProblemWithPeoplePersonallyInsulti ngAnyone

Not much of a fan of the press doing it, though. I do wish the journalism in this country wasn't operated by giant toddlers.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

my daughter will love that.

I cant see that pic,WHY !!!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd believe Nicola Sturgeon over the Daily Torygraph anyday of the week, that paper is being totally ridiculous.
For goodness sake,of course the press should be able to say who they prefer to win an election but not malign and lie about people.

We even have the Daily Mail now apparantly calling her the most dangerous woman in Britain, what infantile over the top hysteria,the danger to the UK is more likely from this Conservative led govt; and UKIP,especially together.

Thanks Joey, very insightful post.