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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

No, just the 12 years before that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, just the 12 years before that

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

There are many names I could use to describe Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, naive is most certainly not one of them.

Blair and Brown set the UK on its course during their terms in office. Much of the hardship now being suffered is as a direct result of their actions in government, and anyone that fails to acknowledge that is naive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

Ice cold is a good description,I was looking and hoping to see some change after David Cameron talked about one nation party again and being fairer,after his election win.

However as usual with him, actions say far more than his words of any comfort.
Him now re-appointing Ian Duncan Smith as works and pensions secretary,signals to me no change and even worse to come again now.
So much then for being fairer.

Ian Duncan Smith has not got a single piece of compassion about him,I will never understand how such a dismal failure of a politician,(even as leader, the Conservatives got rid of him before he could even led them into an election),is permitted to have any power as to anyone's lives and incomes at all, never mind the most vulnerable peoples lives in society.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ice cold is a good description,I was looking and hoping to see some change after David Cameron talked about one nation party again and being fairer,after his election win.

However as usual with him, actions say far more than his words of any comfort.
Him now re-appointing Ian Duncan Smith as works and pensions secretary,signals to me no change and even worse to come again now.
So much then for being fairer.

Ian Duncan Smith has not got a single piece of compassion about him,I will never understand how such a dismal failure of a politician,(even as leader, the Conservatives got rid of him before he could even led them into an election),is permitted to have any power as to anyone's lives and incomes at all, never mind the most vulnerable peoples lives in society.

IDS has been given his old position? wow salt in the wound... I hope he is prosecuted with the full force of the law for his human rights abuses.
What many don't seem to realise is it's not the conservatives anyone is against as such, it's the savage cuts that are going to cripple the poor and disabled. Yes all parties would have had to cut but would not have sliced so deep and spread them over time offset with taxes for the rich too.
If the conservatives adopted a less heartless approach to austerity nobody would have anything to protest over would they?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

IDS has been given his old position? wow salt in the wound... I hope he is prosecuted with the full force of the law for his human rights abuses.
What many don't seem to realise is it's not the conservatives anyone is against as such, it's the savage cuts that are going to cripple the poor and disabled. Yes all parties would have had to cut but would not have sliced so deep and spread them over time offset with taxes for the rich too.
If the conservatives adopted a less heartless approach to austerity nobody would have anything to protest over would they?

This is when, and only when, they lost me completely Kizzy, even as a Conservative supporter until I was 17,in 2009,although I still voted Conservative for the council until 2011.

I have never read of,post war, or heard of from anyone far older than me,the real nastiness and unjust heartlessness against the group of most vulnerable people in UK society,like the politics this govt; ended up directing at them.

You are exactly right,if these cuts were not being made to those people then there would be little to protest about.
I am actually proud that Labour never would have gone down this route,I am dismayed that anyone can even have any support for the sick and disabled getting hammered even more.

If that is the only way to really help get rid of a deficit,then I'd rather the deficit be left to be got rid of far more slowly.
It is,for me, completely beyond all decency and understanding that David Cameron has left this truly vile politician,Ian Duncan Smith in his previous position at all.

In fact despite Cameron's fine words after the election, all his main positions stay the same.
Hardline George Osborne as Chancellor, the truly absolute waste of space Theresa May as Home secretary and the totally ineffectual Philip Hammond as Foreign secretary.

None of that indicates to me any change of attitude from this govt; at all.

Like you, I really hope some action does come and get Ian Duncan Smith pilloried in the future too.
I really believe leaders like,like Churchill,Eden, McMillan, Heath,yes even Margaret Thatcher must be turning in their graves at this Conservative govts; heartless and unjust treatment of the most vulnerable.
A road none of them would have likely even thought of going down, even in their hardest periods in govt:

It is unbelievable,that anyone, I am sorry to say, could support such policies and cuts against the weakest in society.
I have never admired cowards,to attack and bring down the poorest and weakest is one of the most cowardly acts,in any walk of life, anyone can do.
Yet there are people who have supported this happening again,well 37% of them at any rate as you pointed out earlier.

I mix in political circles,I have met,both when I was a student and also since graduating, many politicians of all parties.
I know in the Conservative party, there are a great many who detest these welfare cuts and policies, they are forced to support them,and in fear of not getting possibly any promotion or ending up being disgraced by the party, they do so.
The 64% and what a figure that is,that voted against these welfare cuts in the election passed,deserved much better for their efforts to stop them happening than the result they got.

However clear warnings were given that to split the vote against this govt; would only ensure such heartless action as to policy would continue.
It does not however,alter the fact, that for the first time probably, every single opposition party, including the Lib Dems to be fair, were against more cuts in welfare against the most vulnerable.

Therefore any govt; that really had any compassion at all or as I said before a single shred of decency,would accept that 64% of voters did that and take it into consideration.

With Ian Duncan Smith again in place with his vindictive agenda, clearly nothing has changed,despite Cameron's words,so clearly this govt; again just will not listen and consult properly as to the drastic and serious effects its cuts have as to the most vulnerable.

If you cannot win at the ballot box, despite voting for a party that wanted an end to welfare cuts against the most vulnerable.
People have 2 choices, sit back and let the heartless polices go on, or try to bring attention to same,never giving up.
At least some effort was made by those protesting to bring it to the attention of all.
Sadly all they got, was the media waiting for something or someone to kick off and then report that only.

Which then opened the floodgates and gave gave the ammunition to those hardline supporters of the Conservative party, to brush over and cast aside the issue of heartless cuts to the weakest,and have a field day as to their outrage at the smaller negative part of this march/protest.
They do not however, have that same outrage as to their govts; rotten heartless cuts to people sick, disabled and vulnerable.
They don't appear to matter at all to such people, maybe it is not so hard to see why this lot got put in power again then.

I add one thing, I condemn 100% the defacing of the war memorial, any war memorial by anyone for any reason.
However,by the same token, all those very same people,I dare bet, who those war memorials are really for, would have been left sick to the stomach by what this govt; is doing to the sick,disabled,and most vulnerable in society.

Most of them fought and gave their lives fighting and helping to bring about a better world and country.
Not one that kicks repeatedly and endlessly those most in need and who are the weakest, poorest and most vulnerable.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Ice cold is a good description,I was looking and hoping to see some change after David Cameron talked about one nation party again and being fairer,after his election win.

However as usual with him, actions say far more than his words of any comfort.
Him now re-appointing Ian Duncan Smith as works and pensions secretary,signals to me no change and even worse to come again now.
So much then for being fairer.

Ian Duncan Smith has not got a single piece of compassion about him,I will never understand how such a dismal failure of a politician,(even as leader, the Conservatives got rid of him before he could even led them into an election),is permitted to have any power as to anyone's lives and incomes at all, never mind the most vulnerable peoples lives in society.

I feel sorry for David Cameron though Joey because if he tried to remove Ian Duncan Smith I think that David Cameron would be removed as more of the Tory MP's agree with Ian Duncan Smith's stances than they do David Cameron's.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I feel sorry for David Cameron though Joey because if he tried to remove Ian Duncan Smith I think that David Cameron would be removed as more of the Tory MP's agree with Ian Duncan Smith's stances than they do David Cameron's.

Cameron has some fear of Ian Duncan Smith I think Mock.
He did try, it was reported to move him during the last govt; in a re-shuffle, however Ian Duncan Smith, it was said, refused to go to another post.
So was left in place.

Clearly on the backbenches, Cameron felt Ian Duncan Smith could be a probable danger to him.

If that was the case then, well sorry, that is weak leadership,it doesn't inspire me with pity for Cameron at all.