[the truth]

whilst Im aware dave cameron is more disliked by some on here than the bnp....and everyone believes he will sell off the nhs....but he claims to be targetting a very ambitious 7 day nhs , by changing staff rotas , recruiting more and scanning more people quicker...millions o scanners lie ununsed most or all of the time...I know some hospitals use their kidney scanners for 6 hours a week? meanwhile people with kidney stones lie prostrate in agony in nhs wards for months, blocking beds , taking endless medication, taking up staff time and money etc etc if they got scanned at the start all that can be avoided...this means putting millions more into the front end ie. scanning and saving way more on the back end i.e. bed blocking wasted medication, wasted staff hours .....oh and it saves more lives too

we treat cars better than people....we take cars to a garage they get scanned immediately then we go about fixing them...we don't leave cars unscanned for months and pay people to look after them in the mean time...scan them quick fix them quick...end of




Asked by a reporter if he could deliver efficiency savings and seven-day working while asking staff to work more unsociable hours, the Prime Minister cited the success of Salford Royal Hospital in Greater Manchester.

Mr Cameron said: "I saw this in operation (in Salford) and they are working increasingly on a seven-day basis.

"The scanners are working at the weekend, the MRIs are working at the weekend ... everything is working at the weekend. And as a result, actually, they've been able to reduce their costs and provide a better service.

"So it is absolutely the right vision for the NHS.

"Will it be easy to achieve? Of course not. Will it require a lot of hard work to put it in place? Yes, it will.

"But it's definitely the right ambition and people shouldn't automatically assume that working something on a seven-day-a-week basis means it's more expensive.

"After all, huge amounts of taxpayers' money have been put into the CAT scanners and the MRI scanners and doesn't it make sense to ensure they are being used on a whole-week basis?"


The unions seem sceptical, they'll want him to honour weekend increased pay rates, but as he says savings could ultimately be made in the long run and lives saved, simply by finding out whats wrong with everyone far earlier....One reply to his plans creased me, we will agree to this if all politicians work a 7 day week and take a pay freeze for a decade etc But the point isn't party political , nor do we know if a 7 day week is ever achievable, but the ambition to get these machines working far more often may be achievable and may save masses of patients lives and saving billions on the back end

[arista]

[So it is absolutely the right vision for the NHS.]

Yes I live in a 24/7 world
So I am all for Sunday GP's
and NHS every day working well.

You have Nurse Unions going off on one.
But we do not have all the Data yet.

[joeysteele]

You have the Unions and even Doctors expressing concern as to this, it was described by a Doctor early in the week as,'without the detail,just headline grabbing'.

It has no guarantee of working and if he is to carry on again as he did in the last govt; just doing things and 'not' consulting properly and in great depth the Doctors and nursing staff,then this is more a recipe for disaster and more disillusionment across the NHS than being a success.

I never have trusted him as to the NHS,I do not believe he has a done a thing to improve it and he has even more discontent from the nursing staff in the NHS than Margaret Thatcher's govt; ever had.

It is all well and good throwing a line or two out there that sound good but if the homework hasn't been done and you have not got with you on board those who will have to deliver,then it could all end up another costly and pointless exercise.

I, will never believe or trust this man on anything he says as to the NHS and from what I am hearing,very few in the NHS itself do too.

[smudgie]

It makes perfect sense.
The workload spread over 7 days instead of 5 should make it easier all round.
Just a question of finding more money and sorting any difficulties with work rotas etc.
No doubt there will be problems to overcome but it should be all worthwhile in the long run.

[Kizzy]

It's laughable how some make it sound so easy...Many areas struggle as it is providing services 5 days a week, there would have to be a huge injection of resources, cash and staff to fund a 24/7 NHS.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's laughable how some make it sound so easy...Many areas struggle as it is providing services 5 days a week, there would have to be a huge injection of resources, cash and staff to fund a 24/7 NHS.

No its not going to be easy at all.


But to have every day open GP's is
the way forward.
And 24/7 NHS needs to be Funded and set up.

[Kizzy]

How... Is is going to be by ensuring that systems fail so there's an excuse to get the private investors in?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How... Is is going to be by ensuring that systems fail so there's an excuse to get the private investors in?

Public have said they want Free NHS 24/7
even if some of it is via private investors


Thats why Your Ed LOST

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by smudgie

It makes perfect sense.
The workload spread over 7 days instead of 5 should make it easier all round.
Just a question of finding more money and sorting any difficulties with work rotas etc.
No doubt there will be problems to overcome but it should be all worthwhile in the long run.

It's a step in the right direction smudgie,it's bound to have teething problems as everything new does,but I would welcome this.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's laughable how some make it sound so easy...Many areas struggle as it is providing services 5 days a week, there would have to be a huge injection of resources, cash and staff to fund a 24/7 NHS.

no one is laughing, this is life and death
people cannot get scanned , even for blood clots. 25000 died in uk hospitals last year from undiagnosed blood clots.....the money must be loaded at the front end to get these multi million scanners working vastly more hours and across the weekend ...this is done by changing staff rotas across the uk....the radiogists and other specialists have spent years training, yet these machines are on 8 hours a week? meantime these patients without knowing whats worng with them block beds, take pills, endless medication and take up nurses and doctors time etc etc

furthermore , more money intitially must be pumped in (8 billion so far) but the savings on the back end will be far bigger

benefits
1) people will find out whats wrong with them quicker and will take their cure quicker
2) less bed blocking
3) less taking up nurses , doctors, cleaners time
4) less medication wasted
5) more lives saved
6) saves cancers or diseases spreading
7) saves on the enormous expense of some cancer drugs if the cancer is caught earlier
8) less cleaning
7) less cooking, less food used
9) less knock on illnesses from undiagnosed problems
10) less burocratic delays.
11) less endless phone work, telling people rolling around in agony that their scan is cancelled and delayed
12) saves doctors time
13) saves surgeons , anaesthetists , secretaries, nurses time etc etc

getting more people scanned vastly more easily and getting the scanners manned will save billions on the back end

14)further more getting millions healthier faster saves other side costs like caring costs , family caring time, disabled equipment etc etc

15)it also means these people can get back to work earlier, more productive and paying taxes to the treasury.....its a win win

hospitals are for patients, theyre for getting sick people better....simple as that we seem to have lost focus of that simple goal and the best way to achieve it is to get millions more scanned quicker and easier across the nation

THIS GOAL SHOULD GET CROSS PARTY SUPPORT

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How... Is is going to be by ensuring that systems fail so there's an excuse to get the private investors in?

I don't care who pays for it, we must have people scanned far easier and far quicker....as my extensive list outlines this will save lives and save billions

[Kizzy]

That list says nothing and is totally meaningless.

What are these scanners lying idle that could revoloutionise the medical profession and save lives?
Where is the funding coming from... why is it not here now?
It's not here because it was not budgeted for nor will it be.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That list says nothing and is totally meaningless.

What are these scanners lying idle that could revoloutionise the medical profession and save lives?
Where is the funding coming from... why is it not here now?
It's not here because it was not budgeted for nor will it be.

your reply is the only thing totally meaningless. ive already answered your redundant questions but you cant see past petty party politics

[JoshBB]

More propaganda.......... yay

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

More propaganda.......... yay

dont you get the simple logic , more scans earlier saves more lives saves the nhs billions long term