[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You insinuated that because he is physically stronger than her (which is usually the case because men are stronger than women) it was not a level argument and shouldn't have taken place, which is effectively saying men are not allowed to argue with women. You know exactly what you were implying.



Wow. Just wow. I sincerely hope you or a member of your family never experiences bullying, because maybe then you'll realise it's not a joking matter. Until then, get some ****ing decorum.

I am specifically referring to this argument, not every argument from time immemorial between man and woman. He was physically intimidating during those rows. I would have been intimidated myself by him. His eyes were wild, he was spitting when shouting, he was not collected. He used this form of argument tactic against Helen and it didn't work.

If any of my family do get bullied, I'll make sure they;ll always have a wall to jump over at my house.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I am specifically referring to this argument, not every argument from time immemorial between man and woman. He was physically intimidating during those rows. I would have been intimidated myself by him. His eyes were wild, he was spitting when shouting, he was not collected. He used this form of argument tactic against Helen and it didn't work.

And once again, in the scene when he wasn't doing that and sat in silence, she went at him and didn't stop. That is bullying. I am right and you are wrong.

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

If any of my family do get bullied, I'll make sure they;ll always have a wall to jump over at my house.

Let's hope they and you do

[ItWasJustBanter]

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

Arguments aren't linear. They don't start and stop and are forgotten about. He was nit picking at her all week, making up stuff that Marc had supposedly done (he didn't vote out Jade) and he was aggressive towards her.

She schooled him. She completely broke him down bit by bit and fed him to himself. She was well within her rights to too because he's an aggressive, attention seeker in dire need of anger management. How he has come out of this unscathed is beyond me.

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[jegmeister]

One thing you always get from Helen is a string of straw man arguments. She hopes that by flinging out accusations of bullying against others, it will deflect people away from her own behaviour. Fortunately, this time BB producers had the balls to challenge her properly on it. And about time too.

If Helen is honest as she claims, she would admit her own behaviour. She might say that she too wasn't happy and explain why. That is not the point. She can't pretend she didn't call Brian a rapist and murderer. She did and should have apologised properly if she was genuinely being honest.

Goading and baiting is just as bad as shouting and finger-pointing. In fact, in my view it's worse because it's calculated. We all lose our temper at times. It's a natural thing when we feel strongly about someone. But in a civilised society there are social limits. And Helen crossed that line in her behaviour by her goading. Brian's behaviour was uncomfortable to watch at times and he is far from perfect but that is not the same. And quite frankly only someone who is biased and completely unreasonable would not see this.

The bottom line is this why did she say "you're playing into my hands" if she was scared of him as she claims. Surely, the logical approach would be to avoid him and have nothing to do with him. It is a lie - pure and simple. She is not scared of him. She hates him. And her goading and baiting shows this.

And it is exactly the same with Nikki - Helen lied again by saying that she is fake. One thing that Nikki is not is a fake. She is a huge diva, an annoying pain at times and an idiot but she is who she is and is exactly the same as she has always been for all these years.

Helen's claims simply aren't backed up by the facts in any of these incidents. If a large number of the public think you're a bully, then we have 2 options. Either an outbreak of collective bias and hysteria has broken out and people are all lying for the sake of it (and all think Helen is wonderful) or just possibly it's because it's because most people can see that her behaviour is unacceptable. Most reasonable people would see that it must be the second option that applies here.