[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Pink Pegasus

Realistically Helen knows there is nothing that can happen to her in the BB house so she might not have felt threatened or in danger, but I do believe her when she says she felt creeped/weirded out by Brian and felt he was an oddball.

It would take a lot more though than just feeling creeped out for Helen to go and complain to BB. In the past Helen defended Jeremy Jackson after groping Chloe and said "that girl has ruined this poor guy's life" - she later went on to befriend Chloe and take her side when she got the full story, but just using that example and Helen's general complaining that housemates go "whinging" too much to the diaryroom would mean that Helen would be very reluctant and it would take something major for her to actually make a formal complaint probably for fear of looking like a hypocrite to her followers if she did. Plus they had just entered the house and maybe she just wanted to brush off the incident and carry on with their task and re-entering the main house. But I can absolutely believe that she did find Brian creepy but can also see a number of reasons why she didn't want to make a big deal out of it and complain even if she was creeped out.

I'm not saying Helen is correct in her assessment of Brian as a creep, as how the heck would I know never met the guy, and by all accounts his friends on the telly describe him as a very sweet guy, but I can say that I can see why she might have come to that conclusion.

It wasn't just the one odd naked incident, there seems to have been a buildup of comments, behaviour and rows that led her (and Marc) to form this opinion of Brian.

In my own opinion, that frozen naked duck thing at breakfast time with no alcohol taken might possibly have just been a very strange attempt at humour by Brian and was meant to be harmless but I can still see why somebody could read it differently and feel uncomfortable. The several outbursts of explosive temper which we did get to witness that seemed to come out of nowhere from Brian would make think the person was a bit unhinged (anger management wise) so I could understand them being baffled and wary by that. Maybe this paired with the things we didn't get to see explains to some extent why Helen and Marc felt Brian was a "weirdo" or a bit of a "psycho".

Again I'm not saying they are necessary correct, but I'm just trying to see it from both sides really. We have got to repeatedly hear Brian and Nikki give their explanations for how Helen and Marc made them feel, got to hear them repeatedly explain what horrible vile scum they felt Helen and Marc are, and got to hear their explanations for losing their temper with Helen. So if they get to sit on telly or sell their stories to papers giving their side explaining their feelings and their angry reactions in the house, then why shouldn't Helen get a chance to give her side and explanation of events too?

Again her giving the backstory/explanation does not justify the two words she called him and she makes that clear herself, this is more just a story of her own time in the house and the build up of why the two didn't get along in the first place imo.

..great post Peggy I always love reading your thoughts......she may have felt that Brian was on oddball, I mean it was quite an oddball thing to do and not at breakfast time and could you please not 'frozen duck' right next to me, Brian etc...my thoughts though are that her ‘reluctance to have gone to the DR..’..were that although it happened/the frozen duck thing, there was quite a bit omitted from ‘the whole of it..’...after it all, when they were all discussing their ‘chaos’ they would cause in the house, Brian kept saying to Marc...’I thought that you would get it..’ because I think it was more a complete ‘misjudgement’ or a ‘too far’ from him...and Marc’s response was that it had been the timing of it more than anything while they were all eating their cereal etc and oooops pops up Brian with his frozen duck..I mean..what, I’m eating my cornflakes here and could you give us a little warning first..?....also when they were having their ‘after the frozen duck’ talk and Marc was talking about flipping beds etc..Brian said..’and I’ll do the frozen duck..’...and both Marc and Helen said, yes do that ...Helen even said pleeeease do it....Marc said for Brian to do it in the garden by the pool so ..no we don’t want to see it quite so up close, thanks but still please do it..?... Marc was even a bit worried that Brian was ‘bottling it’ because he had been in the ‘sin bin’ for half a day so obviously Brian had realised that it was quite a dubious thing after all/his interpretation of a frozen duck.....I honestly can’t believe that I’m typing this frozen duck stuff......but Marc was insisting it was just a timing thing and that he should do it in the house as part of all of their 'plan'...but all through the conversation, Helen was vocal in encouraging Brian and also laughing and looking very comfortable...so what really could have been ‘reported’ in the DR...that he was naked..?...but hmmmm/Harry so really no...for doing it while they were eating breakfast and without warning/in close proximity to Helen if it was..?...so really less ‘reluctance’ from what I see but more nothing really to ‘complain’ because of their vocal ‘approval’ of it but much less so approving of the timing of it ...and yeah, probably much awkwardness if he had been in the ‘sin bin’ for half a day because they didn’t realise his version of the frozen duck....

..anyways there are a few things in the article that don’t quite correlate for me and are contradictory, whether ‘manipulated’ by Helen herself or the newspaper/I really don’t know....

"I didn't say anything, I didn't want to enrage him, I just found his behaviour the strangest I've ever come across. It was frightening.
"And for me not to say anything, that means I'm intimidated because we know I don't hold back."


..and yet she completely goaded him later on in the house which she herself admitted to...would someone do that to someone that you ‘didn’t want to enrage’ or a person they felt intimidated by..?..yeah in the safety of people around and being in BB but she had that in the bunker as well with Nikki and Marc and the eyes of BB....


..also... "Considering what I've done for a job in the past and how open-minded I am with people," "I did not want to be left in a room with him. You could tell by my body language."

"I don't enjoy arguing. When I said those remarks, I'd just had enough of him. If he hadn't have left, I'd have gone.
"We had previously spoken about my past, I was very honest with him about having been an escort and listened as he told me stuff in private, yet he threw everything back in my face.’’


..so she felt so uncomfortable as to not want to be left in a room alone with him but he told her stuff in private/they had private chats...so alone together chats..?....and she was ok with that..?..


..I do agree with you in that she does have the right to say her story as well as Brian and Nikki or any of the housemates....and Helen's gone now, Brian's gone now, Nikki's gone now and hopefully Aisleyne as well soon and hopefully we'll get more of the frozen ducks of the civilian housemates as they really I do think, have been frozen in time the last few weeks and this is their show...time to unfreeze them....