[kirklancaster]

Anybody been watching this excellent and informative series on Channel 5?

Did anyone see this week's episode where investigative reporter Paul Connolly goes undercover to expose Benefit Cheats?

[user104658]

I try not to watch propaganda telly with such explicit political agendas, kirk. It's bad for the soul.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I try not to watch propaganda telly with such explicit political agendas, kirk. It's bad for the soul.

Aah - All is clear now T.S. why you have the attitudes and opinions you have, and why you - a very, very, intelligent man - exist in a state of almost total denial when it comes to certain subjects.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Aah - All is clear now T.S. why you have the attitudes and opinions you have, and why you - a very, very, intelligent man - exist in a state of almost total denial when it comes to certain subjects.

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

[Ammi]

..I don't think that anything is a good source in objectivity as such though, it all has it's slants and the angles it wants to choose as perspectives, it still provides discussions ..(as we see in most serious debates news stories ..)...it's just realising that it's not a balance, which I would say that we do...

[Ammi]

...but no, sorry I haven't been watching it Kirk...I suspect it's aired after 8pm which is my sleep time...

[Ammi]

...well actually, I do stay up late to watch The Great British Bake-Off, I have to say...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...well actually, I do stay up late to watch The Great British Bake-Off, I have to say...

Record it Ammi. It is a very good program.

I watch just about every documentary screened by diverse Channels - including Sky - and I find plenty to enrage me, but nothing shocking, because it merely reinforces my own direct experiences moving around in my world; the REAL one.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

No these program makers are mercenaries, who know that these "benefit porn" shows masquerading as journalism will sell well to trashy TV channels, owned by natural born Tories (I am not taking about the actual Tory party having a hand in the actual show).

They sell well because there's a public sat on their fat arses at home, baying for blood and tuning into these shows for something to gnash their teeth at when their faces aren't full of Doritos. Fuelled by a divisionist Tory mindset rolled out over the last 5 years by a scapegoating Tory government.


...

I've not much more to say on the subject. Enjoy your tellybox show, though.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No these program makers are mercenaries, who know that these "benefit porn" shows masquerading as journalism will sell well to trashy TV channels, owned by natural born Tories (I am not taking about the actual Tory party having a hand in the actual show).

They sell well because there's a public sat on their fat arses at home, baying for blood and tuning into these shows for something to gnash their teeth at when their faces aren't full of Doritos. Fuelled by a divisionist Tory mindset rolled out over the last 5 years by a scapegoating Tory government.


...

I've not much more to say on the subject. Enjoy your tellybox show, though.

I think that you have a very low and misguided opinion of the intelligence of the Great British Public T.S, but please do not underestimate my intelligence and I do not eat Doritos, and as I do not possess a 'fat arse' I cannot be guilty of sitting on it. In addition, as I work long hours, it is in the wee small hours while most people are sleeping, that I watch programs which I have recorded.

My own personal opinions and 'mindset' are fuelled primarily by my own direct and very real experiences of the past 30 years, and secondary information gleaned from documentaries and other media merely confirms those direct experiences.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh, I see T.S. - these program makers are all part of the great Tory Party propaganda machine. No time for comprehensive argument (work calls) but later eh?

I agree to a point with the comments made by T.S but the fact remains that our current system is open to a vast number of frauds, from people who have come to rely on handouts as a way of life.

The Welfare system was set up to help families in extreme poverty to offer a safety net so individuals did not have to feed from bins and rubbish dumps,so children could go to school and not have to climb up chimneys for a living.

It was never meant to pay thousands of pounds in rent to house huge families of lazy idle scroungers who have never done a days work in their lives.

Now the system is even being exploited by people who don't even live in this country and have no connection to it. It is sheer madness

It is way past time for the Government of the day to say enough .

Reform of the welfare state is long overdue as we must try and change this strange mindset millions of people have where they think the govt must house,clothe and feed them for absolutely nothing in return.

Programs like this can focus on the more extreme examples but the fact remains this is a major issue that must be dealt with or the country will never get out of debt as the welfare bill forces govt to borrow money from the IMF or World Bank to balance our books.

The national debt is in the Trillions and we struggle to pay off the interest alone whilst the Golightly family live in a six bedroom house with plasma TVs in every room receiving thousands of pounds a year free money whilst the hardest work they have to do is drag their fat arses down to the dole office every fortnight to sign for more free money .

Shocking really.....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think that you have a very low and misguided opinion of the intelligence of the Great British Public T.S, but please do not underestimate my intelligence and I do not eat Doritos, and as I do not possess a 'fat arse' I cannot be guilty of sitting on it. In addition, as I work long hours, it is in the wee small hours while most people are sleeping, that I watch programs which I have recorded.

My own personal opinions and 'mindset' are fuelled primarily by my own direct and very real experiences of the past 30 years, and secondary information gleaned from documentaries and other media merely confirms those direct experiences.

I do and don't, there are plenty of people whose intelligence I respect, but they don't watch "Benefits Scandle 2.0 More Babies For Cash Where's My Pitchfork 7" on Channel 5.

But if you enjoy sitting at 2am jeering at the colosseum-in-the-corner, if that somehow makes you feel better about the world, I guess that's entirely your business.

I can't say all that much about peoples TV choices. I do still watch big brother after all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

Yes TS
but it still would be made
if Labour had power



Viacom/Ch5HD
gets funding to make these Public interests
Docus.


Watch Them TS
they can be Shocking and Fun.
But you can handle that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes TS
but it still would be made
if Labour had power



Viacom/Ch5HD
gets funding to make these Public interests
Docus.


Watch Them TS
they can be Shocking and Fun.
But you can handle that

Funding for propaganda? how novel.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Funding for propaganda? how novel.

No all channels get funding for public interest
Docu's.


They Do not see it like that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No all channels get funding for public interest
Docu's.


They Do not see it like that.

'Public' interest? We are interested in whatever they make programmes and tell us we're interested in.
If for instance C5 made one of these 'documentaries' about flaws in the banking system that cost the taxpayer billions...or the falsifying of information in governmental literature... or the failure of a govt to regulate a water company to ensure potentially fatal bacteria isn't found in drinking water, we may be 'interested in those issues perhaps?

I'm not the only one to feel that there is a distinct pernicious drive to pit those hovering anywhere above the bottom against those who for whatever reason find themselves in poverty.
No matter how many times it's said that the percentage of claimants that are found to be fraudulent is inflated many times in the minds of the public due to the amount of programming dedicated to it... so it begs the question what's the real story, what's the real issue and the reason for the subterfuge?
Society is faced with a mirror but presented with a distorted image, if we held that same mirror to our govt/ media/ police what would we see... good, honest, decent people with no flaws or questions to answer?
' Take the log from your own eye'

[arista]

[C5 made one of these 'documentaries' about flaws in the banking system that cost the taxpayer billions]


No Kizzy
thats Paul Masons job Ch4HD Docu's

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

[C5 made one of these 'documentaries' about flaws in the banking system that cost the taxpayer billions]


No Kizzy
thats Paul Masons job Ch4HD Docu's

So you agree that the 'povery porn' angle is propaganda in which C5 targets benefit claimants for scrutiny to the exclusion of many other societal issues?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you agree that the 'povery porn' angle is propaganda in which C5 targets benefit claimants for scrutiny to the exclusion of many other societal issues?

Ch5HD/Viacom
must get alternate viewers,


Poverty Porn
is also a Ch4HD project.

On that series of that street

The Lady Boss of Ch5
rushed to make a Live debate
on the Ch4 show.

I give Credit to that lady.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch5HD/Viacom
must get alternate viewers,


Poverty Porn
is also a Ch4HD project.

On that series of that street

The Lady Boss of Ch5
rushed to make a Live debate
on the Ch4 show.

I give Credit to that lady.

Lots of things are subject to C4 documentaries then? Yes I get that, so again why is the C5 lens so narrow?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not in denial, I accept that benefits cheats exist (as cheats exist in any large system) and are an issue. However, I reject the notion that Channel 5 trash telly is a good resource for informing oneself of the objective facts. It's designed to be entertaining for simple minds and is therefore sensationalised, by default.

It's just another part of the Tory media's slow and steady drip-feed of misdirection and scapegoatery.

"Blrrrrgh benefits cheats, Blrrrrgh dole scum, bllllrrrrggghhhh immigrants all ruining our economy don't you know?"

It's all very you poking fun at this issue but all of the above are causing problems for this Country and need to be examined.

Especially the uncontrolled migration issue which is an absolute scandal... Or perhaps it something you don't think is a problem in which case there is nothing more to say.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lots of things are subject to C4 documentaries then? Yes I get that, so again why is the C5 lens so narrow?

But its not
it changing all the time,
Much of what is on now was done months back.


Ch4HD is pushing boundaries
on Monday 10PM "Muslim Dag Queens"
could start trouble

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's all very you poking fun at this issue but all of the above are causing problems for this Country and need to be examined.

Especially the uncontrolled migration issue which is an absolute scandal... Or perhaps it something you don't think is a problem in which case there is nothing more to say.

I specifically said that it obviously is an issue. Acknowledging that it's an issue whilst also pointing out that these crap TV shows are sensationalism is not contradictory.

It's an issue, so reasonable, objectively thought out solutions need to be found.

Bob and Betty Couch Potato snarling and booing at their television is going to accomplish precisely **** all.