[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Perhaps you're the one that needs to read a history book to understand the sacrifices people have made so you get to enjoy the benefits of Freedom of Speech instead of denouncing it 'cus you can't handle a few uncouth old opinions. There's nothing sadder and more offensive then a person who is willing to forgo their own rights. Have some respect for the people who died for your rights.

The fact that people don't know to separate criminal incitement and prohibited propaganda to freedom of speech is sad and ignorant.
Freedom of speech is wonderful, but with Tila's that's not the case - deeming Hitler as acceptable is deeming his actions as acceptable and from there it's a short and slippy road.
So as long as any of you see Tila's saying (and photoshoping and saying it again and again and again) as something that goes under the title of acceptable freedom of speech - well done, you clearly know little to nothing.

[Grotbags]

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

[Northern Monkey]

Tila and the viewers were stitched up like a kipper by BB/C5.She should never have been invited in the first place if she is too controversial.Fact is,She was invited and did absolutely nothing wrong to deserve being kicked out.Once she'd signed the contract and gone in then it's the researchers responsibilty and them who should be punished,Not us or Tila.

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Grotbags

Her APOLOGY is BS!

The Nazi comments were just the tip of the iceberg for her, and blaming her addiction, depression, suicidal thoughts is offensive.

I do blame BB for a lot of this because they should have done their research and never let her into the house in the first place.

As recently as the 17th of August she was posting Facebook statuses such as this about her baby -

'She got so mad at me for trying to wrap this thing around her head so it looks like she's wearing a hijab! But she kept snatching it off her head, and giving me the meanest cute look! I can't with this crazy Lil child of mine! So this was the best I could get of her to stay still. Now she terrorizing the home like it's 9/11! Awww shieeeeeeet! ������ And why does my child look Irish here? I promise you it's just the lighting. Lol ‪#‎IsabellaMonroe‬ ‪#‎Burberrybaby‬ ‪#‎SwagLikMom‬ ‪#‎LittleRebel‬ ‪#‎Terrorist‬'

I too think it was wrong to put her in the house in the first place, as she is clearly mentally unstable. However she did seem as if she could be quite a nice person underneath it all. I hope she gets help.

[Semtex]

If BB had done their job in the first place this would never have happened because she would have never been a housemate.

They didn't do their job, so as much as Tila's abhorrent two year old comments are concerned they should not have caused her eviction.

C5 must have had some serious pressure put onto them by a main sponsor.

Jewcozade?

^^^ Joke!

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..surely there just has to be more to her removal that we're not being told..Jim Davidson was chosen because of his controversy/and racist stuff and Paddy Doherty as well, quite a controversial person and yet they both went on to win their series...

I forgot about the Paddy stuff, he said horribly homopboic stuff about how he'd reject his son if he were gay, but BB kept him on the show, wtf.

I guess jews are more important than gay people to the CBB producers.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Grotbags

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

So basically just as bad as katie hopkins, except actually not as bad as Katie hopkins, because Tila at least has the excuse of mental illness, katie hopkins was in her full right mind when she said all of her hateful statements.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This whole thing is a disgusting, pathetic, shambolic joke.

Here's what all of this boils down to. Firstly, assuming they casting directors had no idea of the controversial statements Tila has made in the past, that is quite frankly a woeful lack of research that has gone into the preparation for this series. Stop being so ****ing incompetent.

On the opposite end of the scale, if they were aware of her history regarding these issues, and yet still chose to cast her only to eject her before 24 hours had passed - potentially as a publicity stunt - this is perhaps the lowest this pack of useless ***** whom call themselves a production team have ever sunk. Let's put this into perspective here - there's a good chance that of the viewers whom had no idea who Tila was, and that's probably a majority of the audience, most of them definitely had no idea about all of this controversy in her past. So to deliberately (or even unintentionally, to be honest) cast this woman onto a television show which is going to raise her profile knowing full well of her history of depression and mental illness, only to then put all the attention on her a day later by chucking her out for comments she made two years ago when she was going through said mental illnesses, is absolutely ****ing abhorrent.

This is effectively letting somebody move on from their past, casting them on your show to show a better side of themselves, and then stopping that in its tracks to say 'hey guys, remember when she said all these things a couple of years ago? remember that! you know, when she was going through a rough patch in her life that she's now apparently overcome! here's what she said everyone!' so that she can be abused, vilified and hated all over again. This is a new low and if it's all for publicity at the expense of someone's mental health then this is grounds for an axe alone to be quite honest. This is not the way to treat another human being for the purposes of press attention, ratings or morality.

She either shouldn't have been cast in the first place if they had done their ****ing research properly, or she should have been left to enjoy her time in a programme she had been paid (and isn't anymore) to do.

Now if she had expressed opinions of this ilk inside the house then that's a different matter, however I don't think it's grounds for an immediate ejection. Most housemates receive formal warnings for making controversial and potentially offensive remarks inside the house several times before they are rightfully ejected, and if this is what led to her removal then this is what should have happened first as far as I am concerned.

And really all of this can be disregarded anyway because the bottom line of it is, if she never said anything inside the house, comments made outside of the constraints of Big Brother should not be reason to remove someone from the show. We, and the producers, are supposed to judge the actions of the housemates inside the house. That is the point of the show. If you are going to eject people for things they have done and said before the show began, especially when it's as long as two years ago, then not only have you not done your research properly you incompetent, laughably useless ****ing twats, but this show shouldn't exist.

This show is a mess. A disgusting in all senses of the word, ****ing mess

This post is so full of truth, i had to re-post it again. Whatever way you look at it, BB have been APPALLING in the way they have handled this situation.

[lostalex]

i really hope she still got her fee. it would be totally unfair if they did this and then refused to pay her.

she might even be entitled to more money, because i think they purposefully used her to humiliate her.

[jet]

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i really hope she still got her fee. it would be totally unfair if they did this and then refused to pay her.

she might even be entitled to more money, because i think they purposefully used her to humiliate her.

I've read somewhere that she didn't.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I've read somewhere that she didn't.

that would be ****ed up. and i doubt she has enough money to sue them properly. I really feel bad for her now. Such a dick move by the producers. **** them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by y.winter

The fact that people don't know to separate criminal incitement and prohibited propaganda to freedom of speech is sad and ignorant.
Freedom of speech is wonderful, but with Tila's that's not the case - deeming Hitler as acceptable is deeming his actions as acceptable and from there it's a short and slippy road.
So as long as any of you see Tila's saying (and photoshoping and saying it again and again and again) as something that goes under the title of acceptable freedom of speech - well done, you clearly know little to nothing.

So patronising.

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

She's entitled to her ****ty opinions and we're entitled to judge the hell out of her for it but if she hasn't been charged with anything at this point then it's not considered a crime and thus it's covered by Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech is uncomfortable but I'd take a thousand Tila Tequilas, Westboro Baptist churches etc if it means that I and the vast majority are free to speak our minds without fear of persecution for it.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So patronising.

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

She's entitled to her ****ty opinions and we're entitled to judge the hell out of her for it but if she hasn't been charged with anything at this point then it's not considered a crime and thus it's covered by Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of Speech is uncomfortable but I'd take a thousand Tila Tequilas, Westboro Baptist churches etc if it means that I and the vast majority are free to speak our minds without fear of persecution for it.

very well said.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So basically just as bad as katie hopkins, except actually not as bad as Katie hopkins, because Tila at least has the excuse of mental illness, katie hopkins was in her full right mind when she said all of her hateful statements.

Katie Hopkins doesn't own a full mind a portion of hers is missing, I think this qualifies as a mental impairment.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Katie Hopkins doesn't own a full mind a portion of hers is missing, I think this qualifies as a mental impairment.

that is a cute thing to say, but you are discounting the true impact of mental illness. Katie Hopkins is not mentally ill. Sh really meant everything she said and still stands by everything she has said.

Tila Tequila was mentally ill, and has since denounced all of the anti-semetic things that she posted during her struggles with mental illness.

so it's a very big difference. but the BB producers still kept katie til the finals, but booted Tila on day 2. NOT FAIR.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

So true she is in her 30s though so not such a young hottie

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What, do you think Tila Tequila making a dumbass statement will lead to people going 'hey, this messy bimbo is right! HEIL HITLER'. No, people were rightfully reviled by her comments. It ain't a slippery slope because people can actually think for themselves and can mostly tell the difference between right and wrong.

No, I don't think so, but the fact that she's a random bimbo doesn't mean her statements are something to skip, after all one doesn't need to be a genius to pull a trigger of a gun.
The german people in the 30's thought too that they can "think for themselves and know right from wrong", and yet the holocaust happened and most of them joined and helped.
But one of the awful things is that the others saw it, knew all about it and yet they didn't speak, didn't raise their voice - not before it started and not during the holocaust.
They didn't think they're capable to create such a monster, they're after all educated and intelligent nation.
Hitler and the Nazi party spread hate and used the democracy and freedom of speech to ignite it amongst the german people - nobody stopped it, it was just "that adolf guy talking about the jews running our economy like pigs and well it makes sense, they are everywhere, let's listen more".
Look for example at Dylan Roff, the guy from the massacre in the black community's church in USA.
He wrote a long and very detailed hateful manifesto way before the shooting, but at that time he didn't shoot anybody. Just words. Just Ideas. Just 20 something years old american guy. Just some virtual text on a website floating in the internet. Should he be arrested?
And yet, these ideas were formed in his mind, because he read stuff, and he heard someone else saying things like that, and hey here's another one who thinks like him. All freedom of speech.
This tiny unconscious hate became bigger and bigger and solid and solid and it exploded cause no one was there to open an eye and shut a mouth.
It takes one lunatic's finger to squeeze a trigger, but we're all responsible for it from happening.
That's what happens in America every now and then, that what has happened first in germany and spreaded all over Europe.
We should never take it on the chin when we hear something like this, you can never know which mad psychopath is listening.
It's naive thinking it can't happen again, it happened once, it can happen twice (especially being apathetic about it).
That's why there's incitement and there's freedom of speech - it's all words, different meanings.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by y.winter

No, I don't think so, but the fact that she's a random bimbo doesn't mean her statements are something to skip, after all one doesn't need to be a genius to pull a trigger of a gun.
The german people in the 30's thought too that they can "think for themselves and know right from wrong", and yet the holocaust happened and most of them joined and helped.
But one of the awful things is that the others saw it, knew all about it and yet they didn't speak, didn't raise their voice - not before it started and not during the holocaust.
They didn't think they're capable to create such a monster, they're after all educated and intelligent nation.
Hitler and the Nazi party spread hate and used the democracy and freedom of speech to ignite it amongst the german people - nobody stopped it, it was just "that adolf guy talking about the jews running our economy like pigs and well it makes sense, they are everywhere, let's listen more".
Look for example at Dylan Roff, the guy from the massacre in the black community's church in USA.
He wrote a long and very detailed hateful manifesto way before the shooting, but at that time he didn't shoot anybody. Just words. Just Ideas. Just 20 something years old american guy. Just some virtual text on a website floating in the internet. Should he be arrested?
And yet, these ideas were formed in his mind, because he read stuff, and he heard someone else saying things like that, and hey here's another one who thinks like him. All freedom of speech.
This tiny unconscious hate became bigger and bigger and solid and solid and it exploded cause no one was there to open an eye and shut a mouth.
It takes one lunatic's finger to squeeze a trigger, but we're all responsible for it from happening.
That's what happens in America every now and then, that what has happened first in germany and spreaded all over Europe.
We should never take it on the chin when we hear something like this, you can never know which mad psychopath is listening.
It's naive thinking it can't happen again, it happened once, it can happen twice (especially being apathetic about it).
That's why there's incitement and there's freedom of speech - it's all words, different meanings.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

you don't even make any sense. the nazi's WERE socialists. NAZI stand for National SoZialists. the nazi's were the most successful Socialists ever!

you do kn ow that the Nazi party was a LEFT wing party right? they were all about giving more socialist power to the government.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you don't even make any sense. the nazi's WERE socialists. NAZI stand for National SoZialists. the nazi's were the most successful Socialists ever!

you do kn ow that the Nazi party was a LEFT wing party right? they were all about giving more socialist power to the government.

I don't understand you. What does it has to do with them being left or socialists?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jet

If an ugly old geezer had tweeted what Tila did with the excuse of being mentally unstable I wonder if the reaction would be the same. What do 6 million jews matter when a young hottie promises to get her kit off. Sad.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Grotbags

I can't even believe that people are ARGUING about this! What she said was deplorable.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. She hasn't been arrested, she hasn't gone to prison, she has been removed from a television show!

As I've said before, the Hitler comments are only the tip of the iceberg with her and the excuses that she has given are ridiculous and offensive.

She has a history of spouting nonsense just to get attention, including the self harm video where 'Jane' attacked her which led to her FANS calling the police because of concern for her safety which led to her being held on a 5150.

She should never have been in the house in the first place.

Completely agree with everything you posted, I said similar in another thread.

And the freedom of speech argument doesn't have a leg to stand on here it's just straw clutching.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Josy

Completely agree with everything you posted, I said similar in another thread.

And the freedom of speech argument doesn't have a leg to stand on here it's just straw clutching.

Sadly it isn't just straw clutching as the implications here are very serious and yet very unclear, so it needs debate.

I say unclear because what BB has done is remove a HM for expressing controversial views online years before entering the BB house, but not told even told the viewers what those views are. Nor has BB spelled out EXACTLY what is acceptable/unacceptable for HMs to say in general as we go forward from this point onwards.

Does this mean we are now in a new phase of BB whereby ANY HM can be removed at any time if someone, somewhere finds a posting they made years ago that can cause offence to somebody?

And does it stop exclusively at Hitler?

Can a HM be removed if they once said they can see the good side of Pol Pot? Or Genghis Khan? Or Harold Shipman? Or fox hunting? Or illegal drug addiction?

What if they simply made a really cutting edge joke like one of Frankie Boyle's?

BB need to be crystal clear about this, not leave future HMs at the mercy of their vague guidelines and poor research.

Of course the freedom of speech debate will be ignited in these circumstances because there is no clarity on the subject of precisely what you can and can't say in the eyes of BB now - either inside OR outside of the house!

But as Jack said in his post on this thread - BB should have done their research better and sorted this out LONG before letting a HM enter the house only to remove her 24 hours later. BB have been appalling in their handling of this. And right now - we are STILL none the wiser about PRECISELY what you can/can't say in the future!

It's a total mess.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Sadly it isn't just straw clutching as the implications here are very serious and yet very unclear, so it needs debate.

I say unclear because what BB has done is remove a HM for expressing controversial views online years before entering the BB house, but not told even told the viewers what those views are. Nor has BB spelled out EXACTLY what is acceptable/unacceptable for HMs to say in general as we go forward from this point onwards.

Does this mean we are now in a new phase of BB whereby ANY HM can be removed at any time if someone, somewhere finds a posting they made years ago that can cause offence to somebody?

And does it stop exclusively at Hitler?

Can a HM be removed if they once said they can see the good side of Pol Pot? Or Genghis Khan? Or Harold Shipman? Or fox hunting? Or illegal drug addiction?

What if they simply made a really cutting edge joke like one of Frankie Boyle's?

BB need to be crystal clear about this, not leave future HMs at the mercy of their vague guidelines and poor research.

Of course the freedom of speech debate will be ignited in these circumstances because there is no clarity on the subject of precisely what you can and can't say in the eyes of BB now - either inside OR outside of the house!

But as Jack said in his post on this thread - BB should have done their research better and sorted this out LONG before letting a HM enter the house only to remove her 24 hours later. BB have been appalling in their handling of this. And right now - we are STILL none the wiser about PRECISELY what you can/can't say in the future!

It's a total mess.

The general public, and channel sponsors dictate what is considered acceptable. I have no doubt they were aiming to create some controversy, but there is a fine line between controversial and unacceptable, and clearly the UK public and channel sponsors made their views clear, forcing BB into the action it took.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by y.winter

You're right, it's not comparable. 6 million people died in the Holocaust, it's way way more than the london attacks.
I'm sorry You're hurt by this sentence, but it was just to show how you all know nothing about what happened on WW2 and are just up for entertainment in a TV show.
My grandfather had to runaway and make a heartbreaking desicion to leave is 7 siblings and mother and father and friends and relatives to survive.
He lived in the woods, hide in dark basements, begged for food and looked for kindness - all while knowing his familly is butchered one by one by Hitler and his supporters.
You talk about Tila going through a tough time in 2013 justyfing this? Let's talk about my grandather's hard time and how he dealt with it.

I'm absolutely fuming at people craving for a housemate in big brother just to satisfy their momentary enjoyment.

My forefathers died fighting against hitler ....as did millions tens of millions of others....BUT they died fighting for freedom and that freedom includes some idiot like this saying something stupid one time but not having to be crucified for it...she has acted on her moronic words , this was nothing to do with the show at all. the whole thing stinks. people have died for freedom of speech and also one has to keep some perspective on these matters. dreadful decision by BB