[Ammi]

..there is no need to say sorry, Kirk..I understand your reasoning and your thoughts with this which aren't that dissimilar to what mine were on first instinct with this... everyone in the thread without exception I think, seems to be of a same opinion that heterosexuals can have the same judgements against them as homosexuals, it would be silly to think otherwise, that it wasn't possible or hasn't happened in 'singular' cases...and with those judgements, a heterosexual could receive some pretty awful stuff from someone...

..also without exception we all agree that it's not remotely close to homophobia and the prejudice and 'hate' shown to homosexuals..they've been imprisoned for their sexuality etc...so really we're all on the same page and of the same mind-set here...so a word really and how it's defined is the debate..?..well for me, if 'heterophobia' was a thing then that would put it on the same level and in equality to homophobia, I mean it does that automatically...which we're all agreeing it isn't so that's confusing...Heterophobia was used in single quotations as well because it's not a recognised/acknowledged and defined 'thing' as such ..but I don't dismiss..(and no one else does in this thread..)...any bad stuff that anyone has been subjected to, not only for their sexuality but for anything about them and who they are....


..anyway, to some extent I agree with Glenn and there again only for me in that the thread has run it's course because we all seem to be singing the same song...so I'll go about my day now and retreat quietly...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..there is no need to say sorry, Kirk..I understand your reasoning and your thoughts with this which aren't that dissimilar to what mine were on first instinct with this... everyone in the thread without exception I think, seems to be of a same opinion that heterosexuals can have the same judgements against them as homosexuals, it would be silly to think otherwise, that it wasn't possible or hasn't happened in 'singular' cases...and with those judgements, a heterosexual could receive some pretty awful stuff from someone...

..also without exception we all agree that it's not remotely close to homophobia and the prejudice and 'hate' shown to homosexuals..they've been imprisoned for their sexuality etc...so really we're all on the same page and of the same mind-set here...so a word really and how it's defined is the debate..?..well for me, if 'heterophobia' was a thing then that would put it on the same level and in equality to homophobia, I mean it does that automatically...which we're all agreeing it isn't so that's confusing...Heterophobia was used in single quotations as well because it's not a recognised/acknowledged and defined 'thing' as such ..but I don't dismiss..(and no one else does in this thread..)...any bad stuff that anyone has been subjected to, not only for their sexuality but for anything about them and who they are....


..anyway, to some extent I agree with Glenn and there again only for me in that the thread has run it's course because we all seem to be singing the same song...so I'll go about my day now and retreat quietly...

No problem Ammi. I agree - I think it is a 'dead' horse now. Have a great day love.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No problem Ammi. I agree - I think it is a 'dead' horse now. Have a great day love.

The thread might be a dead horse to some, that doesn't mean that further input isn't welcome, and given we appear to have lost two forum members because of it I think there are a few still issues to be resolved.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The thread might be a dead horse to some, that doesn't mean that further input isn't welcome, and given we appear to have lost two forum members because of it I think there are a few still issues to be resolved.

Let me explain Cherie:

No matter how logical, eloquent and persuasive an argument one might put forth, and no matter how much genuine corroboration is provided - including personal direct experiences - some members will just NEVER accept that their view is wrong or misplaced. In other words, we are 'flogging a dead horse' .

The only thing to be 'gained' once a 'debate' on SD takes the turn it has, is abusive, heated arguments outside of the original premise and NOTHING is ever 'resolved'.

That is what I meant by 'Dead Horse'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Let me explain Cherie:

No matter how logical, eloquent and persuasive an argument one might put forth, and no matter how much genuine corroboration is provided - including personal direct experiences - some members will just NEVER accept that their view is wrong or misplaced. In other words, we are 'flogging a dead horse' .

The only thing to be 'gained' once a 'debate' on SD takes the turn it has, is abusive, heated arguments outside of the original premise and NOTHING is ever 'resolved'.

That is what I meant by 'Dead Horse'.

Yes however other members may want to have their say other than the handful who have over the weekend.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes however other members may want to have their say other than the handful who have over the weekend.

Ah, but I was not condoning closing the thread. I am opposed to any thread being closed even though I realise sadly, that sometimes the mods have but little choice.

I was merely agreeing with Ammi, that as a very 'Seasoned' contributor to SD, and therefore someone who KNOWS that nothing is ever resolved on here, and that different facets of the same arguments - pro and con - are constantly regurgitated, this 'Horse' is very much 'Dead' and no amount of 'Flogging' will achieve anything -- except argument for argument's sake.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Let me explain Cherie:

No matter how logical, eloquent and persuasive an argument one might put forth, and no matter how much genuine corroboration is provided - including personal direct experiences - some members will just NEVER accept that their view is wrong or misplaced. In other words, we are 'flogging a dead horse' .

The only thing to be 'gained' once a 'debate' on SD takes the turn it has, is abusive, heated arguments outside of the original premise and NOTHING is ever 'resolved'.

That is what I meant by 'Dead Horse'.

I don't ever expect during a debate that opposing sides will come round to the opposite view as that rarely if ever happens in here