[Raph]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She is a TERF - trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

I dont recognise TERFs as feminists at all, because they are essentially saying that the most important part of being a woman is having a vagina. Quite hypocritical given all that shes said.

Josh you're the man! (pun intended haha)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Meh, probs not a very popular opinion (and i don't really care either way) but I don't think you an truly be female or male (unless you already are, through birth) until you have the operation. But of course you can identify as whatever you want, and we should stand by you with that.

Originally Posted by Livia

No transgender woman has the XX chromosome so clinically, as they still have only XY chromosomes and not XX chromosomes they are not biologically women. That doesn't mean to say that if they have a need to live their lives as a women they shouldn't do that.

You are of course both factually correct, but people are primarily and outwardly identified by their gender, not their biological sex (which is what the terms 'male' and 'female' signify). Gender is socially constructed, fluid, and can be altered, and as such, if you are a biological male or female, and choose to identify as the opposite gender (or neither, for that matter), that's what you are. Until genital inspections are carried out on a regular basis, nobody will be identified by their sex, and that makes all this talk of 'she's not a real woman' or 'he can never be a real man' ultimately futile.

As a society we still have an unnecessary obsession with anatomical differences between humans, and are convinced that the be all and end all of transgenderism is to 'have the op', when it's far more complex than that and actually a lot of trans people wish not to...and really, why should they be compelled to? Unless you wish to sleep with someone, what's hidden underneath their clothes is the business of nobody else but them.

There is far more to gender identity than genitalia, and this is a disappointing view from Germaine, who often speaks a lot of sense.

[arista]

"and this is a disappointing view from Germaine, who often speaks a lot of sense. "

NO Jack
she is Real Old Now
let her Spit it all out
I Love her views.


Feel The Force

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I remember seeing that when it was on.She has a very warped view of men.A very bitter woman.

the most vile bigoted sexist poison ive ever heard on the bbc and most other channels.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then have it balanced don't just deny her the right to speak.

The issue is on transgender specifically male to female, I happen to agree with her when she suggests it is rather a patriarchal to give 'woman of the year' to someone that up until 4 months ago was a man.

Just because her gender change became official this year doesn't mean she was a man prior to her op. Transgender is about self-identity and not about sex reassignment.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There is far more to gender identity than genitalia, and this is a disappointing view from Germaine, who often speaks a lot of sense.

I agree.

As far as freedom of speech goes, we have to remember that not everybody out there gets to give a lecture on a prestigious platform. This isn't about a right but about privilege. If it were more about a right, then it'd be a thing everybody could do. Expressing an opinion is one of those; expressing an opinion in a position of declared authority... is not.

Instead of questioning why most youths of today comfortably except TG's for being male or female, we should be celebrating it. This lecture feels uncomfortably like a mission and its not one that sits well with me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Just because her gender change became official this year doesn't mean she was a man prior to her op. Transgender is about self-identity and not about sex reassignment.

When you ask someone to speak from their specific field of expertise you may have some predetermined expectations, if I wanted to arrange a lecture on creationism I wouldn't invite Richard Dawkins to speak.
It's I would say a similar principle here.

[the truth]

why aren't you all just as offended when she branded all fathers perverts who teach their daughters how to seduce men when they kiss them?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

why aren't you all just as offended when she branded all fathers perverts who teach their daughters how to seduce men when they kiss them?

Ahh if I let myself get offended every time someone opened their mouth to blow sh*t-bubbles, I'd never get anything else done.

She obviously has her own daddy issues. It's her problem really

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

why aren't you all just as offended when she branded all fathers perverts who teach their daughters how to seduce men when they kiss them?

How do you know they weren't? The incident to which you refer was five years ago and not the topic of this thread.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Ahh if I let myself get offended every time someone opened their mouth to blow sh*t-bubbles, I'd never get anything else done.

She obviously has her own daddy issues. It's her problem really

shes come out with her male hating perverted drivel for years and gotten away with it? yet we only decide to take offence when its transgender people? men are fair game? the sheer undiluted hypocrisy and double standards in pc UK are mindbogglingly dumb

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes come out with her male hating perverted drivel for years and gotten away with it? yet we only decide to take offence when its transgender people? men are fair game? the sheer undiluted hypocrisy and double standards in pc UK are mindbogglingly dumb

Where has anyone in here said men are fair game?

You're doing what Greer does in the youtube video you posted, bringing two unrelated things together and coming up with an extreme result.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How do you know they weren't? The incident to which you refer was five years ago and not the topic of this thread.

you condone her filth and anti male anti father filth and bigotry and you and many others have had ample opportunity to denounce her anti male bile and you've chosen not to , that means you condone her vile hatred and bigotry

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you condone her filth and anti male anti father filth and bigotry and you and many others have had ample opportunity to denounce her anti male bile and you've chosen not to , that means you condone her vile hatred and bigotry

Of course it does.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How do you know they weren't? The incident to which you refer was five years ago and not the topic of this thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjVDYPAuRh0

4 years agoshes repeated this filth umpteen times since

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Of course it does.

glad you agree

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjVDYPAuRh0

4 years agoshes repeated this filth umpteen times since

Well do you honestly expect this thread to go into detail about every single thing she's said that they disagree with?

Stop trying to make the thread about something it isn't.

If you want to discuss her comments on fathers, then make a thread.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjVDYPAuRh0

4 years agoshes repeated this filth umpteen times since

This is the 3rd time you've posted this vid, she's not the first to suggest there is a psycho-sexual aspect to family interaction isn't it a Freudian perspective?

[the truth]

its out germaine greer being bat**** crazy and a man hater. if you cant see the correlation that's your problem. you always side against men anyway marsh. shes written books on the physical beauty of pre pubescent boys and celebrated having sex with a married man as being empowering for her and other women. your hero is a sicko

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its out germaine greer being bat**** crazy and a man hater. if you cant see the correlation that's your problem. you always side against men anyway marsh. shes written books on the physical beauty of pre pubescent boys and celebrated having sex with a married man as being empowering for her and other women. your hero is a sicko

So now Germaine Greer is my hero?

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So now Germaine Greer is my hero?

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously?

you condone her bigotry you choose to defend and you choose not to criticize this vile hateful man hater. so you clearly admire these things about her. no wonder people have such a low opinion of you

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

you condone her bigotry you choose to defend and you choose not to criticize this vile hateful man hater. so you clearly admire these things about her. no wonder people have such a low opinion of you

I haven't condoned anything.

So, back to the actual topic....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't condoned anything.

So, back to the actual topic....

stop side tracking the thread which is about your hero, the vile germaine greer

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

about your hero, the vile germaine greer

All Hail Greer

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes come out with her male hating perverted drivel for years and gotten away with it? yet we only decide to take offence when its transgender people? men are fair game? the sheer undiluted hypocrisy and double standards in pc UK are mindbogglingly dumb

On this occasion i totally agree with you.