[Jordan.]

It wasn't even that bad, people acting like he beat her to near death for removing her from a chair

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But as Livia said, we only saw a 30 second clip.

He might have been stood trying to remove her from the room for half an hour beforehand.

It's like on Big Brother, how differently we perceive situations depending on how heavily it's been edited.

It doesn't really matter, the situation obviously didn't escalate to such a point where violence would be needed previously otherwise she'd have been taken down and removed when it escalated not after it had settled down to a point when she was calmly sitting at her desk.

The cop obviously didn't stick to procedure, throwing someone down to the floor using their desk and them dragging them around is not how you arrest someone who isn't offering physical resistance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But as Livia said, we only saw a 30 second clip.

He might have been stood trying to remove her from the room for half an hour beforehand.

It's like on Big Brother, how differently we perceive situations depending on how heavily it's been edited. I'm sure you could edit a tonne of footage to make it appear for 30 seconds that Helen Wood was victimised every night during BB15. But we know this wasn't the case.

So that's how you want to attempt to justify it, with some bizarre hypothetical? ok.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So that's how you want to attempt to justify it, with some bizarre hypothetical? ok.

Where have I justified it?

It's not a bizarre hypothetical, it's a fact. 30 second footage from a situation we were not involved with doesn't tell us anything. How long had the police officer been standing there before the clip started? What happened before the clip started? Etc etc.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't really matter, the situation obviously didn't escalate to such a point where violence would be needed previously otherwise she'd have been taken down and removed when it escalated not after it had settled down to a point when she was calmly sitting at her desk.

The cop obviously didn't stick to procedure, throwing someone down to the floor using their desk and them dragging them around is not how you arrest someone who isn't offering physical resistance.

He hardly battered her. He did what any police officer would do, drag the person resisting.

But, as I said earlier, those ridiculous desks used in American schools trapped her legs inside of it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Where have I justified it?

It's not a bizarre hypothetical, it's a fact. 30 second footage from a situation we were not involved with doesn't tell us anything. How long had the police officer been standing there before the clip started? What happened before the clip started? Etc etc.

Fact?... you see the facts, you're speculating on something you can't see.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Fact?... you see the facts, you're speculating on something you can't see.

I said it's a fact that we see only 30 seconds of this situation.

Take a snapshot of anything and it can distort any picture.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I said it's a fact that we see only 30 seconds of this situation.

Take a snapshot of anything and it can distort any picture.

If you let your imagination run away with you that will distort it too.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you let your imagination run away with you that will distort it too.

I haven't imagined anything. Unlike some, I haven't jumped to a conclusion based on 30 seconds of footage uploaded to twitter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I haven't imagined anything. Unlike some, I haven't jumped to a conclusion based on 30 seconds of footage uploaded to twitter.

Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

You've deduced who is in the wrong and who isn't, that is a conclusion.

I haven't. And don't see anything. I don't let twitter make my decisions for me.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Jumped to a conclusion?... I see what is there, not what isn't is all.

Didn't you jump to the conclusion it was to do with race

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Probably more to do with the fact that nearly all cases of police brutality that come to light involve black victims. There's been so many over the past few years in particular that it's hard to deny that it's a valid problem.

Exactly. The ones that "come to light" depend on the medias agenda at any given time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You've deduced who is in the wrong and who isn't, that is a conclusion.

I haven't. And don't see anything. I don't let twitter make my decisions for me.

I see what is before my eyes, if you choose to be blinkered that is your issue.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Neither, it's because there is video evidence of officers not adhering to procedure and abusing people.

The post you responded to was a question directed at Dezzy about his own opinion, I don't think you're quite qualified to answer on his behalf.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Didn't you jump to the conclusion it was to do with race

I stated a fact, it was a black student.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I stated a fact, it was a black student.

Why was that relevant?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see what is before my eyes, if you choose to be blinkered that is your issue.

What is blinkered about what I said?

That I won't let a 30 second twitter video convince me that a particular police officer was acting out of racism?

As I said before, I haven't reached any conclusion about the situation because I don't let twitter tell me what to deduce from the video.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The post you responded to was a question directed at Dezzy about his own opinion, I don't think you're quite qualified to answer on his behalf.

I'll post as and when I see fit on a topic, it's the nature of discussion forum, this isn't a private conversation is it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll post as and when I see fit on a topic, it's the nature of discussion forum, this isn't a private conversation is it?

No but you can't exactly answer a question about Dezzy's own personal thoughts on a topic can you? Are you inside his head?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What is blinkered about what I said?

That I won't let a 30 second twitter video convince me that a particular police officer was acting out of racism?

As I said before, I haven't reached any conclusion about the situation because I don't let twitter tell me what to deduce from the video.

Who mentioned racism? I didn't. I see an officer abusing a student as that is all there is to see.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No but you can't exactly answer a question about Dezzy's own personal thoughts on a topic can you? Are you inside his head?

Did I attempt to? You're veering off topic here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did I attempt to?

Yes. You answered a question directed specifically towards Dezzy's opinion.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who mentioned racism? I didn't. I see an officer abusing a student as that is all there is to see.

It's one of the possibilities being discussed in this thread and you yourself saw fit to discuss the fact that the schoolgirl was black on page 1.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes. You answered a question directed specifically towards Dezzy's opinion.

If you only wanted dezzys opinion send him a PM... This is a public forum.