[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Question: My non-Jewish friends tell me that they think Judaism is wrong because it teaches one that an eye for an eye is the right way instead of turning the other cheek. Are they correct in their assessment of the Jewish religion? Is eye for an eye a part of Judaism and beliefs?

Answer: The quote, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,” comes from our Torah, our bible. It may be found in Leviticus 24:20


http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the...system/?p=3510

You realise we're talking about terrorist Muslims here, right? Unless you want to make this a general religion thing, in which case, start a thread.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not having a downer on ALL Muslims here. I'm telling you what the Quran says, and also that the backward-thinking Muslims who're doing their damnedest to drag us all back to the dark ages swallow every word. So when people tell me it's a religion of peace it doesn't ring that true to me.

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

And some Christians think they talk directly to God. Both sets of people are insane and their actions dont reflect the majority of their religion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I feel like I've said this a dozen times now. Unlike other religions, the Quran is believed by Muslims to be the direct, literal word of God. And the fundamentalists and nutters hang on to that... it's their Justification. More moderate, more educated Muslims are not of that mind, but they're not the ones who are fighting us. It's people like Islamic Jihad, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Abu Sayyaf, Al-Badr, Lashkar-e-taiba, Ansaru, Abdullah Azzan… and all the other nutters who are killing not just us, but more moderate Muslims too who have suffered terribly as a result.

I know what you're saying but I don't think that if it was instead written by a prophet who had direct contact with God (ie the Bible) that it would be any different for those fundamentalists. Like do you think that those fundamentalists only exist because the Quran is supposedly written by God himself and if it was written by a prophet who spoke to God then they would not exist? Nah

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You realise we're talking about terrorist Muslims here, right? Unless you want to make this a general religion thing, in which case, start a thread.

Don't blame me, I wasn't the one to start quoting scripture.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You've effectively demonised every Muslim then due to the content of ancient text, which every faith has and fundamentalists which again every faith has.

Well, I guess every other faith doesn't have legions of people blowing up other people, terrorising cities and communities, raping, bombing, enslaving and all the other things Muslim terrorists feel that their holy book gives them the right to do. Islam may well be a religion of peace, but when you've got hundreds of thousands killing in its name, it seems a little disingenuous to me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know what you're saying but I don't think that if it was instead written by a prophet who had direct contact with God (ie the Bible) that it would be any different for those fundamentalists. Like do you think that those fundamentalists only exist because the Quran is supposedly written by God himself and if it was written by a prophet who spoke to God then they would not exist? Nah

I believe that they were indoctrinated by people who used that to hammer home their beliefs. And they still use it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I believe that they were indoctrinated by people who used that to hammer home their beliefs. And they still use it.

Yeah that's for sure but they would still have used the book literally to indoctrinate regardless of whether it was written by God or a prophet speaking Gods wishes/words, just like other religions have done in the past (and probably still do)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that's for sure but they would still have used the book literally to indoctrinate regardless of whether it was written by God or a prophet speaking Gods wishes/words, just like other religions have done in the past (and probably still do)

Maybe... but the fact is they didn't have to. Islam is home to the most wanted men on Earth, to hundreds of factions of terrorist killers, to people who kill other Muslims because they differ slightly in their thinking, to people who torture other human beings to death, people carrying out FGM, who deny women education and even medical attention in some places in the world... the only thing that will change this is education, and that's the last thing the terrorists and their leaders want, people thinking for themselves. Moderate Muslims I know are instrumental in trying to change these things... which is why they themselves are targets. The fundamentalists want, need, people to believe that God wants it this way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And some Christians think they talk directly to God. Both sets of people are insane and their actions dont reflect the majority of their religion.

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity

Exactly. So at any given time God is hearing all the prayers from all the Christians around the world.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well, I guess every other faith doesn't have legions of people blowing up other people, terrorising cities and communities, raping, bombing, enslaving and all the other things Muslim terrorists feel that their holy book gives them the right to do. Islam may well be a religion of peace, but when you've got hundreds of thousands killing in its name, it seems a little disingenuous to me.

Every fundamentalist latches on to outmoded religious ideology it's the remit, so yes every other faith does have or has had these issues, Islam currently has them on a grand scale.
It remains a religion of peace, as does every other faith when factions hijack them for conflict in the name of god.

[Mystic Mock]

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

This is true some people are forever ignorant.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..isn't that the same vein of thought though Adam...to feel that it's a collective country or religion who represent the actions of a few idiots who do these things...they don't represent Britain, they only represent hate as well....

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This is true some people are forever ignorant.

I agree with you.

I mean don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with being cautious, but what's with the physical violence and the harassment, and demonisation that they seem to be getting?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Every fundamentalist latches on to outmoded religious ideology it's the remit, so yes every other faith does have or has had these issues, Islam currently has them on a grand scale.
It remains a religion of peace, as does every other faith when factions hijack them for conflict in the name of god.

This post actually shows an alarming lack of knowledge of Islam, how it initiated, how it grew and what the Quran REALLY states in its 700 pages - in addition to other Religions too unfortunately.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

whooooa

all Christians think they speak directly to God every time they pray

That IS Christianity

Yeah, but FORTUNATELY, no Christians are praying to God to guarantee their bloody, inhuman subjugtion of the world in his name and the slaughter of all those humans who are NOT Christian.

There is NOT one single word in the Christian New Testament which advocates injustice, intolerance, violence or murder - exactly the opposite to be frank.

Islam and Christianity are Polar Opposite Religions, and only the truly ignorant state otherwise.

As with Islam, there have been, and are Extremists, but unlike Islam, these demented devils cannot find ANY text within the New Testament which DECREES and SANCTIONS murder, or which is of sufficient 'ambiguity' that it can be 'misinterpreted' as a means to justify the horrific bloodlust which we are witnessing from ISIS now.

[kirklancaster]

These cretins who are attacking ordinary Muslims need serious punishment within the law.

I have a very strong feeling that the majority of, if not ALL of these bullying bastards, are not REALLY acting in some 'knee-jerk' reactionary manner because of unbridled anger at the latest ISIS atrocities in Paris, but rather that they are just violent thugs who are using those atrocities as an excuse to justify their bigoted hatred.

Attacks on Muslims solely because they ARE Muslims will solve nothing and is as despicable as the abhorrent anti-semitic attacks on innocent Jews which have been manifest throughout Europe for decades.

These violent crimes of 'Islamophobia' is where the government of the UK do need to take off the kid gloves and be seen to stamp on the necks of the ignorant moronic thugs found guilty of perpetrating it, with absolutely NO MERCY.

The sinister shadows of Nuremberg type rallies beckon if they do not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's disgusting tbh, although I've heard that the Irish had it similar during the IRA days, it's a shame that some people are so thick that they judge a book by it's cover.

Yep, probably not to the same extent as in it wasn't a kind of a "worldwide" thing like this is but even in the 90's when I was in England I had to deal with a lot of bigotry because of my nationality (*most people were lovely though)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yeah, but FORTUNATELY, no Christians are praying to God to guarantee their bloody, inhuman subjugtion of the world in his name and the slaughter of all those humans who are NOT Christian.

There is NOT one single word in the Christian New Testament which advocates injustice, intolerance, violence or murder - exactly the opposite to be frank.

Islam and Christianity are Polar Opposite Religions, and only the truly ignorant state otherwise.

As with Islam, there have been, and are Extremists, but unlike Islam, these demented devils cannot find ANY text within the New Testament which DECREES and SANCTIONS murder, or which is of sufficient 'ambiguity' that it can be 'misinterpreted' as a means to justify the horrific bloodlust which we are witnessing from ISIS now.

New Testament being the operative word, I don't get why Christians decide one book is perfectly true but the other is not

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

New Testament being the operative word, I don't get why Christians decide one book is perfectly true but the other is not

I'm not going there. But genuine thanks that you (at least ) do appreciate the difference. Now, I'm just waiting for my dear friend LT.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not going there. But genuine thanks that you (at least ) do appreciate the difference. Now, I'm just waiting for my dear friend LT.

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't see a difference at all lol That's my whole point but yes that's an argument for another thread

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think you've misunderstood me, I don't see a difference at all lol That's my whole point but yes that's an argument for another thread

Yes you DO see a difference though, because you stated: "New Testament being the operative word"

Anyway, I am in a particularly festive, loving mood with you at the moment, so I am not spoiling it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Yes you DO see a difference though, because you stated: "New Testament being the operative word"

Anyway, I am in a particularly festive, loving mood with you at the moment, so I am not spoiling it.

Yes, Christians disregarded part of the Bible when it didn't suit them, same book, different section, cherry picking