[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

In the Scottish referendum,I heard far more sense and constructive debate from the 16/17 year olds than was even coming from the Politicians.
When I was 16, I was strongly interested in politics.
This however is an important decision that will affect all in the UK and I say again, anyone who would be entitled to vote in the 2020 general election should have as a right, a vote in this referendum.

So I hope the Lords succeed but it is a real disgrace that the Conservative party are in fact not the ones leading the battle to give 16/17 year olds a vote here,absolutely disgraceful in my view.

Its not a disgrace. The minimum voting age is 18. If they want that to change then there should be a proper bill put through parliament changing the standard voting age. Attempting to introduce it by the back door by amending a promised action is the disgrace.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not a disgrace. The minimum voting age is 18. If they want that to change then there should be a proper bill put through parliament changing the standard voting age. Attempting to introduce it by the back door by amending a promised action is the disgrace.

Yes - I have to agree with you and MTVN here BitOnTheSlide. It is a ploy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not a disgrace. The minimum voting age is 18. If they want that to change then there should be a proper bill put through parliament changing the standard voting age. Attempting to introduce it by the back door by amending a promised action is the disgrace.

It is to me, so I stand solid by my view just as you will yours.
I do not support however denying anyone anything who hasn't done anything wrong.
16/17 years olds will all vote in 2020 anyway, what is another years or 2 to allow them a right to vote in the referendum, or is the real reason because it is believed,rightly or wrongly,that more 16/17 year olds will vote to stay in probably.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is to me, so I stand solid by my view just as you will yours.
I do not support however denying anyone anything who hasn't done anything wrong.
16.17 years olds will all vote in 2010 anyway, what is another years or 2 to allow them a right to vote in the referendum, or is the real reason because it is believed,rightly or wrongly,that more 16/17 year olds will vote to stay in probably.

haha ... 1 in 100 times we agree

The legal voting age is 18, until that is changed by a legitimate vote, it should remain in place, not sneaked in by an unelected bunch of clueless idiots with an agenda

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

haha ... 1 in 100 times we agree

The legal voting age is 18, until that is changed by a legitimate vote, it should remain in place, not sneaked in by an unelected bunch of clueless idiots with an agenda

The house of lords is part of parliament, it has every right to amend as part of the constitution and legislative process.
Until it is changed, it has every right to do so and refer things back to the Commons.
Hopefully as with many issues in the past as to Labour govt legislation and now here with this Govt legislation,lets see what the govt does with such recommendations.

If the Lords make this near dictatorial govt change their minds then well done to them I say.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The house of lords is part of parliament, it has every right to amend as part of the constitution and legislative process.
Until it is changed, it has every right to do so and refer things back to the Commons.
Hopefully as with many issues in the past as to Labour govt legislation and now here with this Govt legislation,lets see what the govt does with such recommendations.

If the Lords make this near dictatorial govt change their minds then well done to them I say.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The house of lords is part of parliament, it has every right to amend as part of the constitution and legislative process.
Until it is changed, it has every right to do so and refer things back to the Commons.
Hopefully as with many issues in the past as to Labour govt legislation and now here with this Govt legislation,lets see what the govt does with such recommendations.

If the Lords make this near dictatorial govt change their minds then well done to them I say.

This government has a tiny majority, it can't under any possible circumstances be considered dictatorial. The simple fact is that you can't stand their policies, which is fine, but the adjectives used to describe a legitimately elected government are getting tiresome ... to me anyway.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This government has a tiny majority, it can't under any possible circumstances be considered dictatorial. The simple fact is that you can't stand their policies, which is fine, but the adjectives used to describe a legitimately elected government are getting tiresome ... to me anyway.

that's the radical left wing brainwash students go through much of the UK and anyone who questions it is labelled a bigot...very dangerous

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This government has a tiny majority, it can't under any possible circumstances be considered dictatorial. The simple fact is that you can't stand their policies, which is fine, but the adjectives used to describe a legitimately elected government are getting tiresome ... to me anyway.

I am not going to argue with you but the way this govt imposes rather than compromises with the likes of Police, junior Doctors, its attitude to the sick and disabled and also as to the wishes of just about all other representations in Parliament which far outweigh the votes this govt got in the election.
The way it dismisses charities and welfare groupings as to how devastating its policies are.
Sorry for me it is being 'near' dictatorial in that and I said 'near' not that it was anyway.if you read my post fully.
It is also tiresome for me to have to re state a comment I made,which someone like yourself twists to have it saying something I didn't too.
Again I state, I said 'near dictatorial' 'not' that it actually was.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am not going to argue with you but the way this govt imposes rather than compromises with the likes of Police, junior Doctors, its attitude to the sick and disabled and also as to the wishes of just about all other representations in Parliament which far outweigh the votes this govt got in the election.
The way it dismisses charities and welfare groupings as to how devastating its policies are.
Sorry for me it is being 'near' dictatorial in that and I said 'near' not that it was anyway.if you read my post fully.
It is also tiresome for me to have to re state a comment I made,which someone like yourself twists to have it saying something I didn't too.
Again I state, I said 'near dictatorial' 'not' that it actually was.

The government was given a mandate to govern by the people. Thats how the system works. It was a small mandate giving them a tiny majority in parliament, so to suggest that the government is in anyway similar to a dictatorship is inappropriate rhetoric.

Your objections to this government are related to its policies, which you are of course entitled to, but many, including myself support those policies.

Using terms such as dictatorial relate to the process of government itself, and is not related to the governments policies. So throwing terms like that around where they bear no relation to the truth is just attempted scaremongering and spreading wholly false accusations

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This government has a tiny majority, it can't under any possible circumstances be considered dictatorial. The simple fact is that you can't stand their policies, which is fine, but the adjectives used to describe a legitimately elected government are getting tiresome ... to me anyway.

Yes it can, the tiny majority now has the majority of the power...
They are using that power to cause real damage, dictatorial is a perfect word.

'tending to dictate; tyrannical; overbearing'