[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

It wouldn't bother me on a personal level, however, all religion and politics should be kept away from cinema adverts, seems a good policy to me.

Maybe that's a good point, if this is allowed then we could see an avalanche of religious and political messages shoehorned into advertising space.
I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe that's a good point, if this is allowed then we could see an avalanche of religious and political messages shoehorned into advertising space.
I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?

The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

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The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?

So are you suggesting that as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty?
By not mentioning the money spent by the conservatives are you admitting they couldn't care less about anyone in need?...
Not sure why you have chosen to take this topic and apply it to labour in response to my query, this is an ecumenical matter ( I've always wanted to say that)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So are you suggesting that as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty?
By not mentioning the money spent by the conservatives are you admitting they couldn't care less about anyone in need?...
Not sure why you have chosen to take this topic and apply it to labour in response to my query, this is an ecumenical matter ( I've always wanted to say that)

Look, I really do not want to be dragged into futile argument with you again, or suffer further warnings and infractions as a result, but you are 'moving the goalposts' again, and I surely have a right to answer you.

No I am NOT suggesting that; "as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty" and NOWHERE in my response to your post do I state ANYTHING which could cause any reasonable person to educe that.

I NEVER mentioned anything about 'the Labour Party advocating aiding those in poverty' or otherwise. SHOW ME WHERE I used any of those words or anything REMOTELY like them.

I DID NOT.

I was specifically responding to the question you posed in your post which I reproduce here:

"I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?"


Which means to me, that you were criticising the Christian Church and saying they could not justify spending that money on advertising when there was "so much social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide".

Now, I am a well advertised Christian, and you are a well advertised Labour supporter, so I simply answered your - pretty obviously rhetorical - question based on these two facts - which is why I confined my remarks to the Labour Party and no other parties. Here is my post in its entirety:

"The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?"

Now if you re-read my post you will see it is quite lucidly written and nowhere does it justify ANY of your summisations above. NOWHERE.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Look, I really do not want to be dragged into futile argument with you again, or suffer further warnings and infractions as a result, but you are 'moving the goalposts' again, and I surely have a right to answer you.

No I am NOT suggesting that; "as the Labour party spends money on campaigning then they shouldn't advocate aiding those in poverty" and NOWHERE in my response to your post do I state ANYTHING which could cause any reasonable person to educe that.

I NEVER mentioned anything about 'the Labour Party advocating aiding those in poverty' or otherwise. SHOW ME WHERE I used any of those words or anything REMOTELY like them.

I DID NOT.

I was specifically responding to the question you posed in your post which I reproduce here:

"I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?"


Which means to me, that you were criticising the Christian Church and saying they could not justify spending that money on advertising when there was "so much social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide".

Now, I am a well advertised Christian, and you are a well advertised Labour supporter, so I simply answered your - pretty obviously rhetorical - question based on these two facts - which is why I confined my remarks to the Labour Party and no other parties. Here is my post in its entirety:

"The same way the Labour Party justifies spending tens of millions on advertising, which COULD be spent on alleviating the hardship and suffering of all those it purports to represent, but the question is frankly ridiculous.

The Christian church DOES carry out numerous and diverse good works of direct charity - from 'soup' kitchens in every town and city to various home and foreign charity projects.

I don't think I've ever seen a Labour Party 'soup' kitchen or any other specific charity projects paid for out of party funds -- which are collected from donations in the same exact manner which church funds are.

Apart from this, what is the difference?"

Now if you re-read my post you will see it is quite lucidly written and nowhere does it justify ANY of your summisations above. NOWHERE.

'I am a well advertised Christian, and you are a well advertised Labour supporter,'

So what.... I posed the question simply reapplying it to Labour does not answer me does it?
Can you compare a religious group to a political party too in fairness, what is it that makes them comparable?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'I am a well advertised Christian, and you are a well advertised Labour supporter,'

So what.... I posed the question simply reapplying it to Labour does not answer me does it?
Can you compare a religious group to a political party too in fairness, what is it that makes them comparable?

I think my posts are clear. Bye.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think my posts are clear. Bye.

You're using the fact I'm a Labour supporter as a stick to beat me with, a political party can't be compared to a religion, it's really that simple.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe that's a good point, if this is allowed then we could see an avalanche of religious and political messages shoehorned into advertising space.
I wonder how much the production and ad time that message cost...
It begs the question with all the social inequality,suffering and need both in the UK and worldwide how is this spend justified?

Yeah I am disgusted by the Hollywood movie budget used in this one advert.

And the nice clean clothes the priest is wearing. He could've cured world hunger with those, damn it.