[Calderyon]

If you like BBUSA, you´ll like Survivor.

And start from the beginning.

[rk3388]

Start from China, Gabon, Tocantins, era <3

[reece(:]

I started on a modern season definitely watch it though it has so many elements of drama, gameplay, storytelling and competition thst create a brilliant mix.

[Calderyon]

I personally think it´s better to start from the beginning, because then you can see how the show develops in terms of editing, focusing, game play, challenges, characters etc.

[Dominic]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

If you like BBUSA, you´ll like Survivor.

And start from the beginning.

I hate BBUS, yet I love survivor. They are two different things. BBUS is just plain Grodner's rigging, manipulation, tragic editing and "revolutionary" series ruining twists and the show never redeems itself.

[Calderyon]

Well BBUS all the way through the 7th season then, when Grodner wasn´t at the top of the helm.

And i meant that as a format of BBUS is basically Survivor in a house. Also there is plenty of manipulation on Survivor too, just maybe not in such an extensive sense as BBUS has.

[Dominic]

Well yeah in a way, but survivor just works so much better imo and doesn't give as much power to someone or to work against someone, meanwhile in survivor it is way more scrambling and messyness.

Overall I find the gameplay, format and entertainment factor of Survivor I find much superior to Big Brother US. It also has better casts, twists (other than redemption island) and editing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Survivor is just so much less hokey too. Like, even at the start of the show when they had absurd stuff like swimming out to Snake Island and ringing the gong at Tribal Council, it never reached BBUS levels of embarrassment with Zingbot and OTEV and those awful DRs

[Dominic]

And yeah Survivor actually has likeable and fun confessional narrators that make it fun, rather than BBUS attention ***** DRs like Zach and John that take up 75% of the screentime

[Calderyon]

Oh, i´m not arguing with the fact that which one is the better and more enjoyable show cause that´s clearly Survivor.

Just pointing out the clear similarities between them.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Start with Borneo, both because it's a fantastic piece of television and so you can see the evolution of The Game. We're kinda currently stuck in a ****ty era where they feel the need to throw in some returning players every ****ing season, so watching out of order might spoil some things for you (if you care about that) and be confusing since you won't have a sense of character arcs from season to season.

The era of Survivor we are in is fantastic and not ****ty at all. But I do agree that watching in order is best to avoid spoilers.

[Macie Lightfoot]

We just suffered through Worlds Apart and now we're still suffering through Cambodia -- it's hardly fantastic.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I will pm you a link in a bit but deffo start with season 1(I regret not starting from the start)

Could you send me a link too please Luke?

I've seen series 1 and 2 of the UK survivor and loved it, but really do need to watch the US one. I don't know why I never have tbh

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

We just suffered through Worlds Apart and now we're still suffering through Cambodia -- it's hardly fantastic.

Were not suffering through Cambodia it has been pretty great so far. I get that your thing is to hate on everything but at some point it gets really old.

[iRyan]

Survivor is MUCH better than BBUS.

Micronesia and Heros vs. Villains were the two best seasons IMO. They both feature returning players but it really does not matter if you never saw their original seasons.

Amazon was the first season I saw, I rewatched a few episodes of it recently and can say it was a good season.

Borneo and Australia are must-see classics.

I would also say Cook Islands, China, Tocantins, Nicaragua, Philippines, Caramoan, and Cagayan were great seasons worth watching. I think Exile Island and Palau were pretty good too but I can't remember them as much.

Steer clear of Vanuatu, Fiji, One World, South Pacific, and especially Redemption Island.

I haven't seen Blood vs. Water, San Juan del Sur, or World's Apart. Were they any good?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

Were not suffering through Cambodia it has been pretty great so far. I get that your thing is to hate on everything but at some point it gets really old.

Nah it's not really my thing, I just don't like Cambodia much at all because I find it boring, pointless, and kinda confusing. There's no continuity between episodes at all because character arcs randomly stop and stop and don't carry over from episode to episode. Alliances randomly come about and never get talked about again with little to no explanation, we're just told that X and Y are in an alliance now just because. I think having three different sets of pre-merge tribes made it even more confusing since you pretty much need to have a flow chart in order to keep track of who's been on a tribe with who and who's aligned with you. I think all the strategizing is really boring too. We get no scenes of actual camp life or any character development, just 45 minutes of people moving chess pieces around. It's a really boring story to me, and it's being told in an incredibly poor manner.

Originally Posted by iRyan

I haven't seen Blood vs. Water, San Juan del Sur, or World's Apart. Were they any good?

Blood vs. Water is the most average season of Survivor ever, San Juan del Sur is fantastic, and Worlds Apart is grimy and uncomfortable and full of a lot of deplorable people.

[reece(:]

Editing really is a problem when Abi goes from a string of OTTN5 to UTR1's

[854]

No, if you haven't seen it by this point, you better not. It's not that great of a show as it used to be.

I mean you can watch anything before season 20 to test your feet, then watch the newer seasons, but this is what's gonna happen.

You'll like it instantly, then get addicted to it, then god forbid you'll make an account on Survivorsucks and have tens of thousands of posts and your whole life is survivor.

Then you'll get to the point I'm at, to where you notice it's just bbusa with a different title. You'll get tired of the unfair twists, constant allstar/hybrid seasons, bland and basic casting, bitter juries, dumb juries. People staying longer than they should have, people being first eliminated when they shouldn't have been, etc.

But again, I suggest you watch a season before season 20, I recommend Pearl Islands season to start of, if you like that, then watch more early seasons to make your mind up as to whether or not you want to watch more of the show, because the newer seasons require you to have knowledge of rules based on early seasons.

But eventually no matter what happens, you'll start to hate the show believe me.

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Editing really is a problem when Abi goes from a string of OTTN5 to UTR1's

This I am not complaining about. Abi's negativity and hateful personality is too much for me to handle so to me the less they show of her the better.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Editing really is a problem when Abi goes from a string of OTTN5 to UTR1's

Not even this but like Kelly Wigs being hyped up and then getting one of the most invisible edits ever, Kimmi being a nobody and then executing Monica and then fading back into being a nobody, Ciera being a nobody but now she's an underdog so she's our default protagonist, etc. There's no continuity whatsoever.

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

This I am not complaining about. Abi's negativity and hateful personality is too much for me to handle so to me the less they show of her the better.

Do I even make note of the fact that your username is literally Aaryn Gries Fan or is that too cheap or a shot here

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by AarynGriesfan

This I am not complaining about. Abi's negativity and hateful personality is too much for me to handle so to me the less they show of her the better.

It's just not realistic

[AarynGriesfan]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's just not realistic

It does make sense if you think about it though. Early on Abi's tribe kept losing every challenge and she was the source of all the drama for her tribe so of course she is going to get a lot of airtime. Now that the merge has happened they switch to showing more of the strategic element which isnt Abi's strong suit. Plus they are gonna wanna focus on the major players and the people who have a shot at winning which Abi doesn't have.

[Vanessa]

Well done Jake!

[Calderyon]

Wrong topic, Van

[Dominic]

Abi's personality isn't harsh or negative. She's just spicy, shady, hot headed and fiery.