[Ammi]

...no one knows is the whole point, not world leaders and governments and certainly not the general public, if they did then it would all be solved already ...will it lead to escalation an making worse, maybe but would it have led to that anyway without the yes decision, we'll never know that because that course wasn't taken so no one will ever know an outcome had it have been...we know there will be deaths in many countries, will there be less deaths, will there be more deaths, we don't know...will we look back on mistakes, probably...would we have done that if the bombings weren't happening, probably...they'll just be different mistakes is all and what balances to those mistakes of any positive outcomes as well...of it being a right decision or either having been a right decision...if we're against it, our focus will be on the negatives and if we're in favour, our focus will be on the positives because we have pre-disposed opinions, so that will always be..but no one knows, unless two paths were possible and both were known then no one knows, nor wil they in hindsight either, that only allows for scrutiny etc....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one knows is the whole point, not world leaders and governments and certainly not the general public, if they did then it would all be solved already ...will it lead to escalation an making worse, maybe but would it have led to that anyway without the yes decision, we'll never know that because that course wasn't taken so no one will ever know an outcome had it have been...we know there will be deaths in many countries, will there be less deaths, will there be more deaths, we don't know...will we look back on mistakes, probably...would we have done that if the bombings weren't happening, probably...they'll just be different mistakes is all and what balances to those mistakes of any positive outcomes as well...of it being a right decision or either having been a right decision...if we're against it, our focus will be on the negatives and if we're in favour, our focus will be on the positives because we have pre-disposed opinions, so that will always be..but no one knows, unless two paths were possible and both were known then no one knows, nor wil they in hindsight either, that only allows for scrutiny etc....

I disagree Ammi, I think we will be able to look back in years' time and directly attribute further gains in ISIS recruitment to ham-fisted Western (and other) bombing and most likely, in time, ground campaigns in Syria. It's just that people will then say "Oh we couldn't possibly have known!", even though plenty of people are saying it blue in the face today.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one knows is the whole point, not world leaders and governments and certainly not the general public, if they did then it would all be solved already ...will it lead to escalation an making worse, maybe but would it have led to that anyway without the yes decision, we'll never know that because that course wasn't taken so no one will ever know an outcome had it have been...we know there will be deaths in many countries, will there be less deaths, will there be more deaths, we don't know...will we look back on mistakes, probably...would we have done that if the bombings weren't happening, probably...they'll just be different mistakes is all and what balances to those mistakes of any positive outcomes as well...of it being a right decision or either having been a right decision...if we're against it, our focus will be on the negatives and if we're in favour, our focus will be on the positives because we have pre-disposed opinions, so that will always be..but no one knows, unless two paths were possible and both were known then no one knows, nor wil they in hindsight either, that only allows for scrutiny etc....

Balance, moderation and truth.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one knows is the whole point, not world leaders and governments and certainly not the general public, if they did then it would all be solved already ...will it lead to escalation an making worse, maybe but would it have led to that anyway without the yes decision, we'll never know that because that course wasn't taken so no one will ever know an outcome had it have been...we know there will be deaths in many countries, will there be less deaths, will there be more deaths, we don't know...will we look back on mistakes, probably...would we have done that if the bombings weren't happening, probably...they'll just be different mistakes is all and what balances to those mistakes of any positive outcomes as well...of it being a right decision or either having been a right decision...if we're against it, our focus will be on the negatives and if we're in favour, our focus will be on the positives because we have pre-disposed opinions, so that will always be..but no one knows, unless two paths were possible and both were known then no one knows, nor will they in hindsight either, that only allows for scrutiny etc....

If, buts and maybes, that's all we have had to go on, so I wouldn't blame anyone for being very wary, having such little assurance for me makes the whole thing seem a gamble at best.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

If, buts and maybes

That's the default vocabulary of fence-sitting though, isn't it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's the default vocabulary of fence-sitting though, isn't it.

And mockery of a member who is known and appreciated for her moderate views, sincerity and inoffensiveness, is the default actions of the ignorant and arrogant.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And mockery of a member who is known and appreciated for her moderate views, sincerity and inoffensiveness, is the default actions of the ignorant and arrogant.

Thanks but I didn't say that... it was Ammi

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And mockery of a member who is known and appreciated for her moderate views, sincerity and inoffensiveness, is the default actions of the ignorant and arrogant.

I will conceed that that one was a low blow. Fair enough. I do like Ammi. Sorry, Ammi

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I will conceed that that one was a low blow. Fair enough. I do like Ammi. Sorry, Ammi

....oooops, I didn't see that..(I'm a slow typist..)...anyways, the attention is lovely but I am doing a pub quiz atm and trying to fully focus on that so haven't got time really to reciprocate any further...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

That's the default vocabulary of fence-sitting though, isn't it.

..or someone who doesn't know whether my opinion of there not being increased air strikes would be the right thing either because none of us do know, how could we possibly know that..so yes there are lots of maybes because there is no black or white/right or wrong with this as there isn't with many things and as you yourself have said many times...you can be as personal as you want with me or anyone else in your character assessments, but all that does is make you look very childish and silly indeed, which is quite a surprise for someone who seems to have a reasonable intelligences...so carry on because any debate (yet again..)..becomes impossible in this thread as it's all about some kind of point scoring...even above any thought of the people who have been killed by the bombs as was shown yesterday....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..or someone who doesn't know whether my opinion of there not being increased air strikes would be the right thing either because none of us do know, how could we possibly know that..so yes there are lots of maybes because there is no black or white/right or wrong with this as there isn't with many things and as you yourself have said many times...you can be as personal as you want with me or anyone else in your character assessments, but all that does is make you look very childish and silly indeed, which is quite a surprise for someone who seems to have a reasonable intelligences...so carry on because any debate (yet again..)..becomes impossible in this thread as it's all about some kind of point scoring...even above any thought of the people who have been killed by the bombs as was shown yesterday....

So you're allowed to say we went to war on a maybe, and you're right and fair and fragrant... if I'd said that I would get an avalanche of posts that begin SO WOULD YOU RATHER WE WERE ALL KILLED IN OUR BEDS KIZZ? HMMMMM.. COZ THAT'S WORREL APPEN!!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So you're allowed to say we went to war on a maybe, and you're right and fair and fragrant... if I'd said that I would get an avalanche of posts that begin SO WOULD YOU RATHER WE WERE ALL KILLED IN OUR BEDS KIZZ? HMMMMM.. COZ THAT'S WORREL APPEN!!

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything - more mockery.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything.

Genuinely made me smile this one. I think Ammi probably smells like jasmine and cheerios. That's just the vibe I get.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What has Ammi being 'fragrant' got to do with anything - more mockery.

fragrant
[frey-gruh nt]
Spell Syllables
Synonyms Examples Word Origin
adjective
1.
having a pleasant scent or aroma; sweet-smelling; sweet-scented:
a fragrant rose.
2.
delightful; pleasant:
fragrant memories.