[Livia]

Hmmm getting rid of our history. Big Brother would approve.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm getting rid of our history. Big Brother would approve.

Manipulating our history to make this man appear some benevolent benefactor, hmmm.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Manipulating our history to make this man appear some benevolent benefactor, hmmm.

If you look at all the statues in all the world a massive number of them depict questionable people. You going to pull them all down? Wouldn't it be better if people strived to understand the difference in values between now and then? Those values are vastly different. Queen Victoria, the most powerful woman of her time, did bugger-all for women and their struggle... should we tear her statues down?

Teach people the truth but understand that it happened in the past and that you're looking at it through contemporary eyes.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you look at all the statues in all the world a massive number of them depict questionable people. You going to pull them all down? Wouldn't it be better if people strived to understand the difference in values between now and then? Those values are vastly different. Queen Victoria, the most powerful woman of her time, did bugger-all for women and their struggle... should we tear her statues down?

Teach people the truth but understand that it happened in the past and that you're looking at it through contemporary eyes.

Best to focus on what people do actually do and say rather than coulda shoulda, it's so easy to misrepresent people isn't it?

"Why should we not form a secret society with but one object," he once said, "the furtherance of the British Empire and the bringing of the whole world under British rule, for the recovery of the United States, for making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire?"

Gotta love the Aryan dream.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32131829

[kirklancaster]

How can a man who founded free Scholarships for underprivileged students from the Colonies, Germany and the USA to the tune of one billion dollars of his own money be classed as anything other than a 'benevolent benefactor' (whatever this means means) - in this one charitable act alone.

Yes - pull down his statue, rewrite history, and STOP thousands of the poor and unfortunate in life from availing themselves of a free education.

Pardon the pun, but this issue is not so black and white. Apartheid was undeniably a heinous regime, but once the detestable whites abdicated power, was South Africa TRULY a better place or worse?

Or did it largely remain unchanged, with blacks ill treating other blacks or blacks murdering other blacks, where once such appalling injustices were once the exclusive preserve of the ruling whites?

There are very few truly wealthy men in history who amassed such fortunes morally and/or legitimately - including many non-whites. How many of these found free education for ALL colours with a billion of their own money?