[Kizzy]

Ah right, in a kind of man+ man thing does not compute from a base animal/human reproductive aspect?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

"Slightly repulsed" lol. Ok, as long it's low on the scale of repulsion then that's fine. This smacks of "I don't have a problem with it, as long as it's behind closed doors and no one speaks of it!".

You don't have to feel a "desire to watch it". Even if it happens out in the street, you don't have to stand there watching. But seeing it... and feeling repulsion?! I think that's pretty homophobic. You don't have to want to see it, but you can still be accepting of it if it does happen. But to try and justify a feeling of repulsion, exclusively towards gay men kissing, suggests that it isn't something you're accepting of. Fortunately, "every straight man you know" doesn't represent the entire straight male population.

I totally accept it.It is cool whatever sexuality anyone is.Being 'slightly repulsed' is not a choice,It's just a feeling.I would feel slightly repulsed if two wrinkly grey grannies were getting jiggy too and would choose to look away.Am i ageist too?No i like old people,I just don't wanna see em getting down.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right, in a kind of man+ man thing does not compute from a base animal/human reproductive aspect?

It probably is that.It is ingrained to not be a palletable thing to watch and my eyes would rather avert their attention somewhere else.Much the same as if my mum and dad started shagging in front of me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It probably is that.It is ingrained to not be a palletable thing to watch and my eyes would rather avert their attention somewhere else.Much the same as if my mum and dad started shagging in front of me.

Maybe, even though you can accept it happens instinctively it feels a bit ew?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe, even though you can accept it happens instinctively it feels a bit ew?

Yes.I am totally fine with it.Gay people should be free to kiss wherever they like.My eyes would just rather look in another direction.

[Ammi]

..I am accepting of different views/different generations but it's interesting though that there was a bringing up to hate Catholics, it was a hate that was actively tried to be instilled in you...and yet you didn't hate, you did the exact opposite and you found a life love with a Catholic...you saw there was no cause for any fears/intolerance/prejudice etc of Catholic people ....so is that not something to consider, that a mind-set is broke free of in some things, so why not others as well/why held onto with homosexuality for instance...that's something that I would certainly question in myself if I had the same views...

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes.I am totally fine with it.Gay people should be free to kiss wherever they like.My eyes would just rather look in another direction.

Sadly the view of the more verbal of our gay friends seem to think that we should alter our feelings to suit their agenda and if we don't, we deserve the label of Homophobic. My opinions are the same as yours but I suppose having opinions in a den of non conformists means defeat to the uninitiated.

The mere fact that all of my views have been discounted as the ranting of a loonie and homophobe, lends credence to my argument and therin lies the rub.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I am accepting of different views/different generations but it's interesting though that there was a bringing up to hate Catholics, it was a hate that was actively tried to be instilled in you...and yet you didn't hate, you did the exact opposite and you found a life love with a Catholic...you saw there was no cause for any fears/intolerance/prejudice etc of Catholic people ....so is that not something to consider, that a mind-set is broke free of in some things, so why not others as well/why held onto with homosexuality for instance...that's something that I would certainly question in myself if I had the same views...

Nicely put Ammi

[Kizzy]

I'd say that is exactly what the OP is questioning, the opposition to Catholics only came via primary socialisation there was no societal, governmental or inherent aspect to consider.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I am accepting of different views/different generations but it's interesting though that there was a bringing up to hate Catholics, it was a hate that was actively tried to be instilled in you...and yet you didn't hate, you did the exact opposite and you found a life love with a Catholic...you saw there was no cause for any fears/intolerance/prejudice etc of Catholic people ....so is that not something to consider, that a mind-set is broke free of in some things, so why not others as well/why held onto with homosexuality for instance...that's something that I would certainly question in myself if I had the same views...

Ammi you seem to subscribe to the view that I have a problem with homosexuality, I don't, I just cant fight my feelings of repulsion when I see 2 men kissing, just as I would if I saw two children French kissing. Some might say its acceptable, I don't and cant change my persona in view of political correctness. Whats good for the goose is always good for the gander and that's how my world works. I bow dwn to kiss no mans feet, nor will I be dictated to in affairs of the heart that cant be argued with or changed.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Wasn't Perez and his Gay fans Hetrophobic? Perez is definitely Hetrophobic so it does exist

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Sadly the view of the more verbal of our gay friends seem to think that we should alter our feelings to suit their agenda and if we don't, we deserve the label of Homophobic. My opinions are the same as yours but I suppose having opinions in a den of non conformists means defeat to the uninitiated.

The mere fact that all of my views have been discounted as the ranting of a loonie and homophobe, lends credence to my argument and therin lies the rub.

Ah I wouldn't worry, you've been as honest and open is you need to be Sam. Name calling is a knee jerk reaction, it's understandable for people to be on the defensive when their sexuality is being debated.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

Anybody can face discrimination end off

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

This. I find it utterly disgusting.

[T*]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

I don't always agree with you but this is 100% correct

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Anybody can face discrimination end off

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Anybody can face discrimination end off

Anybody can face prejudice, personally I feel claiming an 'ism' without the historical aspect unacceptable.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

There you go jumping to conclusions

[T*]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

In a completely different universe where homosexuality is the established norm, perhaps. Put honestly there's a lot of grabbing at straws here, and you've completely ignored my previous posts.

In what ways have you, as a straight person, been discriminated against in the last 12 months? I'd like examples please.

(he's not straight)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ammi you seem to subscribe to the view that I have a problem with homosexuality, I don't, I just cant fight my feelings of repulsion when I see 2 men kissing, just as I would if I saw two children French kissing. Some might say its acceptable, I don't and cant change my persona in view of political correctness. Whats good for the goose is always good for the gander and that's how my world works. I bow dwn to kiss no mans feet, nor will I be dictated to in affairs of the heart that cant be argued with or changed.

...two children French kissing is a bit different though, there are many people who that wouldn't sit right with/to see...obviously for their welfare and would that could possibly lead to/and illegal age etc...so I don't really get your analogy there...but I do respect your feelings on homosexuality and that you feel how you feel at the sight of two males kissing..what I find interesting really is how some mind-sets can change and others are found more difficult to...

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Tom*

(he's not straight)

Oops, I assumed he was. Didn't expect a gay person to honestly think heterophbia existed..

I pose my question to the OP then - when in the last 12 months have you been discriminated against in the last 12 months?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Heterophobia does not exist. And it never will. It's offensive to suggest straight people face discrimination, because LGBT+ people actually do and it's quite horrific in some countries.. it really detracts from the actual horrors that so many gay people face. For straight people to wave their arms and state "i am oppressed by the gays!!11!" is ridiculous and really idiotic. Why do people want to be discriminated against so badly??

Hi Josh,
Sam's point is quite clear.
I wouldn't say he was attacking anyones sexuality.
He is talking about the actual term heterophobic.

The term is real., it exists.
It's meaning is...
having irrational hatred of heterosexuality, showing an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of heterosexual people,or their culture.

tbh i couldn't care less about the term because i don't see people in that way, i just see people, their sexual preference is none of my business.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Sadly the view of the more verbal of our gay friends seem to think that we should alter our feelings to suit their agenda and if we don't, we deserve the label of Homophobic. My opinions are the same as yours but I suppose having opinions in a den of non conformists means defeat to the uninitiated.

The mere fact that all of my views have been discounted as the ranting of a loonie and homophobe, lends credence to my argument and therin lies the rub.

I would'nt say that is "heterophobia" just a dismissive ignorance of your views perhaps?

I don't actually think people are discriminated against because they are straight.Maybe it has happened on a minute level in a predominantly gay enviroment which would indeed mean that it exists on some tiny level.However i don't think it exists on a scale where it could be called an issue.Although its existence is possible.It's not tangible imo.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Hi Josh,
Sam's point is quite clear.
I wouldn't say he was attacking anyones sexuality.
He is talking about the actual term heterophobic.

The term is real., it exists.
It's meaning is...
having irrational hatred of heterosexuality, showing an irrational hatred, disapproval, or fear of heterosexual people,or their culture.

tbh i couldn't care less about the term because i don't see people in that way, i just see people, their sexual preference is none of my business.

Terms can exist for a concept but that doesn't automatically mean the concept exists too.

[bots]

Heterophobia does exist. Is it an equivalent or as prevalent an issue as homophobia - no absolutely not, not even close.

Really, everyone needs to get off their high horse and agree on the principle that any form of persecution or prejudice is unwelcome in 2016 whatever name it is given