[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Finally the obscenity of the bedroom tax plans under the coalition govt.
2) The 'Bedroom Tax' was part of the Welfare Reform Act 2007 proposed by Labour.

'NOT' in the form it eventually became implemented,it was not designed to be a gross unfair financial penalty on the scale it became under the coalition govt.

Only the Conservative party, (despite every other single party elected in May last year who would all have scrapped it), are the rotten shower who have left it in place.

Ideas are ideas, plans can be put in place to bring in policies, the moderation as to those policies or severity of their effects lie with the govt in power at the time,if they stick with the policy.
This govt, created a heartless and unjust monster from the bedroom tax on a scale it would 'never' have even just been dreamed of under Labour or indeed any other party for that matter.
Even UKIP would have scrapped this obscenity.

[JoshBB]

You can find far more reasons to not vote conservative.. most of them being revolved around their complete lack of any human emotion towards the poor, their party being kept afloat by Murdoch monopolization of the press industry and funded by big business, extortionate cuts and shrinking of the state in the name of deficit reduction (while also lowering taxes for the rich).

Don't forget they constantly laugh at questions posed to David Cameron by the public instead of answering them, instead making cheap jibes at Corbyn for being left-leaning. And while we're at that, the constant labelling of Corbyn who is the LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION as a 'threat to national security', 'threat to economic stability', 'threat to british families' is becoming dangerously resembling to that of fascists in our past. Truly terrifying. They're trying to wipe out any of the main opposition parties - Labour are a threat to national security, the SNP are a threat to our union.. you can't make this stuff up.

They also evidently don't give a **** about the young people, and when I'm old enough to vote I won't forget that.

[Kizzy]

Meanwhile we all hurtle towards autocracy.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

'NOT' in the form it eventually became implemented,it was not designed to be a gross unfair financial penalty on the scale it became under the coalition govt.

Only the Conservative party, (despite every other single party elected in May last year who would all have scrapped it), are the rotten shower who have left it in place.

Ideas are ideas, plans can be put in place to bring in policies, the moderation as to those policies or severity of their effects lie with the govt in power at the time,if they stick with the policy.
This govt, created a heartless and unjust monster from the bedroom tax on a scale it would 'never' have even just been dreamed of under Labour or indeed any other party for that matter.
Even UKIP would have scrapped this obscenity.

This government did not bring in the bedroom tax as i pointed out earlier. You can choose to ignore that fact by all means but it still does not change the fact that this bedroom tax was introduced by the labour party.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

This government did not bring in the bedroom tax as i pointed out earlier. You can choose to ignore that fact by all means but it still does not change the fact that this bedroom tax was introduced by the labour party.

Do you ever listen to anyone else at all?
It was a Labour plan but no way on the scale it became under this govt.
If all you are going to do is waste peoples time then waste someone elses not mine.

This govt kept on the idea of this bedroom tax after Labour left power in 2010 and then grossly expanded it to what it became, an unfair and way too high crippling financial burden on people who could not afford it, and who had nowhere else to go because there were not the downsized properties available for them to go to.

This govt,both under the coalition and still now, no other govt.
Anyone can have ideas and plans, what others do with those ideas and plans is what we judge them on and the Conservatives are alone in their zeal for this infernal policy as it is in place now, no one else.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Do you ever listen to anyone else at all?
It was a Labour plan but no way on the scale it became under this govt.
If all you are going to do is waste peoples time then waste someone elses not mine.

This govt kept on the idea of this bedroom tax after Labour left power in 2010 and then grossly expanded it to what it became, an unfair and way too high crippling financial burden on people who could not afford it, and who had nowhere else to go because there were not the downsized properties available for them to go to.

This govt,both under the coalition and still now, no other govt.
Anyone can have ideas and plans, what others do with those ideas and plans is what we judge them on and the Conservatives are alone in their zeal for this infernal policy as it is in place now, no one else.

So a policy brought in by the labour party (which you have admitted) is all the conservatives fault?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So a policy brought in by the labour party (which you have admitted) is all the conservatives fault?

No, because the Labour plan was far weaker than what it ended being transformed into on implementation under the Conservatives.

So yes,the fault of 'how' it was enacted is the Conservatives fault no one elses.
It wasn't actually in place under Labour by May 2010.

Anyway,we have well and truly exhausted this one and since you know it all anyway, no point in me saying anymore to you is there since you choose not to listen.
I will debate with anyone but not to end up just wasting my time and energy.
No point at all in that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

1) Up to 50 thousand 'excess' deaths were recorded at hospitals during the last Labour Goverment. (Research by Sir Brian Jarman of Imperial College).

2) The 'Bedroom Tax' was part of the Welfare Reform Act 2007 proposed by Labour.

3) Between 1997 to 2010 gas prices rose 133% and electricity prices rose 69%. Why would the public ever trust Labour on energy prices again?.

4) The devastating impact of Labour's raid on pensions: The tax grab has cost workers Ł118bn since 1997. (Office for Budget Responsibility).

5) Labour spent Ł148.7 million on a National Measurements Office which forces traders to measure their goods in kilograms rather than pounds.

6) The Royal Mail is now sold because of EU Postal Directive 2008/6/EC, brought in by the last Labour government.

7) Council Tax doubled under Labour - 105% increase in England, 146% Wales. (The Chartered Institute of Public Finance & Accountancy: 26/03/09).

8) In 2012/13 Labour councils employed nearly 23,000 people on zero-hour contracts.

9) Ł660 million has been cut from Labour run NHS Wales over the last three years according to the Welsh TUC.

10) When Labour came to power in 1997, spending on NHS managers was less than Ł190m. By 2010 this had increased by 450% to over Ł1bn per year.

11) Labour wasted Ł11bn of taxpayers money on a failed IT project which was eventually scrapped by the NHS in 2013.

12) Labour lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments - Ł50 billion worth of loans which are costing Ł300 billion in repayments.

13) It was the Labour Party who awarded the DWP Medical Services Contract to ATOS on the 15th March 2005.

14) Labour started the privatisation of the NHS. They brought in the 2006 NHS Act that introduced competition into the NHS.

15) Labour introduced competition into the NHS: Competition Act 1998, Enterprise Act 2002 & Public Sector Procurement Regulations 2006.

16) In 2006 Gordon Brown cut the flood defence budget by Ł14 million.

17) Youth unemployment rose by more than 40% during Labour's 13 years in office.

18) Total stock of social housing fell under Labour - 421,000 homes were lost from the social housing stock between 1997 and 2010.

19) British manufacturing grew by 28% between 1980 and 1997. Then, under Labour, it shrank by 6%: falling from 20% of GDP to just 11%.

20) Labour left a deficit of Ł156 billion, PFI liability of Ł301 billion, EU Rebate loss Ł9.3 billion, Sold the Gold loss Ł6 billion.

21) The last Labour government spent so much money on Labour cronies that it had a 5% structural deficit at the height of the boom.

22) The use of food banks went up tenfold under Labour. From 3,000 users in 2005/06 to over 40,000 by 2009/10. (The Trussell Trust/C4 FactCheck).

23) When Labour's Gordon Brown became Prime Minister in 2007, UK public debt was 44.1% of GDP. When he left in 2010, it was 148.1%.

24) Only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010 under Labour, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone - Thatcher's final year as PM.

25) Tony Blair gave away a chunk of the UK's EU rebate estimated now to have cost the UK Ł9.3 billion between 2007-2013.

26) In 2010 Gordon Brown branded Rochdale voter Gillian Duffy "a bigoted woman" for daring to voice her concern about uncontrolled immigration.

27) Labour are now complaining about gambling. But they were the ones who wanted to build Super Casinos in some of the poorest areas in Britain.

28) Labour closed more mines in 5 years than Thatcher did in 11 years.. 211 mines closed under Wilson 1965-70.. 154 under Thatcher 1979-90.

29) Under Labour zero hour contracts increased by 74% between 2004 - 2009.

30) Since Labour liberalised the law in 2000 to allow postal voting on demand, the number of postal voting fraud in Labour areas has soared.

31) Labour wants to charge patients. Lord Warner said people should pay a Ł10-a-month fee to use NHS/Ł20 for every night they stay in hospital.

32) Labour signed the Lisbon Treaty which gave away powers to the EU and reduced UK sovereignty and the power of our Westminster Parliament.

33) Labour were responsible for the rise in payday lenders. Now they are campaigning against them.

34) Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years and produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began.

35) Labour destroyed our border controls then with the help of the BBC denounced anybody who voiced concerns about mass immigration as racists.

36) Labour councils are the biggest users of zero contracts.

37) Under Labour between 1997 to 2010 the gap between rich and poor got wider.

38) The last Labour government doubled the rate of income tax on the lowest paid.

39) Labour claims to be the party of the working man, but they have absolutely destroyed the working class through mass immigration.

40) Labour MPs to remember: Denis MacShane (jailed), David Chaytor (jailed), Eric Illsley (jailed), Elliot Morley (jailed), Jim Devine (jailed).

41) Blair invaded Iraq and Brown invaded the Treasury, both actions crippled us.

42) Labour opposes democracy in Britain by denying the British people a referendum on EU membership.

43) Labour Party Manifesto Pledge 2001: 'We will not introduce top-up fees'.

44) One of the reasons for high energy prices is EU driven 'Green Taxes' brought in by the last Labour government.

45) It was Labour under Blair who handed control of British food regulation to the EU, (Regulation EC no 178/2002).

46) Remember when Tony Blair and Labour essentially traded guns for access to oil with Libya.

47) The Labour Party paid only Ł14,000 in tax last year on total income of Ł33.3 million. (The Spectator, 30/07/2014).

48) If Ed Miliband can easily stab his own brother in the back, imagine what he will do to us if he ever becomes Prime Minister.

49) (Illegal?) Wars.

50) Jeremy Corbyn.

51) Corbyn wants to keep the nuclear submarines but without the war heads on them.
It's like Barack Obama saying you can all keep your guns cos were not selling bullets anymore.

52) Would like to chat at length with the Argies about handing back the falklands.

53) Wants to have tea and scones with ISIS.

did you do all this yourself?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bobnot

How long did it take you to copy and paste that from a post over a year old on digital spy?

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2004778

Oh is that where it came from, not even original then

[empire]

johnnyuk123, you also forgot, how Labour run councils used the race card to let over a thousand white girls be sexually abused, and forced the police to try and arrest their parents who tried to protect their children, and how Mr bean or should I say Gorden Brown who sold off are gold at a silly cheap price, and how they treat their loyal voters, like village idiots, when they called one loyal lady supporter a bigot, unfortunately the majority of people in this country have a memory of a sieve, and don't remember these things.

[Glenn.]

I don't vote Labour

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by empire

johnnyuk123, you also forgot, how Labour run councils used the race card to let over a thousand white girls be sexually abused, and forced the police to try and arrest their parents who tried to protect their children, and how Mr bean or should I say Gorden Brown who sold off are gold at a silly cheap price, and how they treat their loyal voters, like village idiots, when they called one loyal lady supporter a bigot, unfortunately the majority of people in this country have a memory of a sieve, and don't remember these things.

Well said empire! I'll add those facts to the list. Cheers!

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I like Nigel! He's an honest man. Can we say really the same for Jeremy?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I like Nigel! He's an honest man. Can we say really the same for Jeremy?

We can SAY it - but it's NOT TRUE.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

We can SAY it - but it's NOT TRUE.

None of the labour party are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I like Nigel! He's an honest man. Can we say really the same for Jeremy?

Jeremy's too honest, which is rare in politics idc:

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

You can find far more reasons to not vote conservative.. most of them being revolved around their complete lack of any human emotion towards the poor, their party being kept afloat by Murdoch monopolization of the press industry and funded by big business, extortionate cuts and shrinking of the state in the name of deficit reduction (while also lowering taxes for the rich).

Don't forget they constantly laugh at questions posed to David Cameron by the public instead of answering them, instead making cheap jibes at Corbyn for being left-leaning. And while we're at that, the constant labelling of Corbyn who is the LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION as a 'threat to national security', 'threat to economic stability', 'threat to british families' is becoming dangerously resembling to that of fascists in our past. Truly terrifying. They're trying to wipe out any of the main opposition parties - Labour are a threat to national security, the SNP are a threat to our union.. you can't make this stuff up.

They also evidently don't give a **** about the young people, and when I'm old enough to vote I won't forget that.

I half agree the tories probably on the whole don't give a stuff about the poor..but do labour really? you see to get out of poverty you need jobs, opportunities, aspirations, you need to get off benefits, you need motivation, you need a strong economy....new labour failed in that department...the local government grew, the debts mounted, unemployment rose, we got so strangled with political correctness that it became a human right to breed for benefits and let the hard working tax payer pay the bills....basically we went bust....new labour did less than nothing for the poor areas, less than nothing for industries, less than nothing for the spiralling energy bills, bt , taking state ownership of public utilities? new labour allowed the housing bubble, they bailed the banks....they were a disgrace

so all im saying is they were probably even worse than the tories and the tories are awful