[cfromhx02]

Why is it, that they keep calling John a manipulator.Gemma,Megan & on CBBBOTS etc yet no one ever gives us any examples ?

Apart from the one very bad thing he did wrong IE putting Darren up which was just a mistake in my opinion but very well meant,just meant to take Darren out of the stress of BB to help him stop chain smoking because there was a danger he may end up substituting stopping smoking with going back to the drink again.

But that didn't matter to Gemma,Megan and Tiffany. They had their opportunity,mainly led by Gemma, to use something against John and to try and get their followers on outside to vote to save anyone else but John to try and get one of the main favourites out because of his huge following from Eastenders etc.

But I wouldn't call John putting Darren up manipulation, I'd just call that a big mistake but well meant.

But they keep calling him a manipulator. But never give examples.The only talk they have of him is putting Darren up.

I reckon I know why they can't give examples.Because there aren't any.

They just jumped on the first chance they got to have a go at John and try to turn their followers against him

because he is one of their main opponents that can stop them winning,that's what they are really up to IMO.

[Tom4784]

He used Angie's grief to try to isolate Tiffany and get her to leave, he purposely tries to isolate people to get them to leave and he used his parents' situation (and fake tears) to garner sympathy and to turn people against another individual in the house. You must be blind by your own bias to not see it.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He used Angie's grief to try to isolate Tiffany and get her to leave, he purposely tries to isolate people to get them to leave and he used his parents' situation (and fake tears) to garner sympathy and to turn people against another individual in the house. You must be blind by your own bias to not see it.

............and here endeth the thread.

[hot2go]

John didn't manipulate Darren at all....but Darren is manipulating John....all that crap last night in the noms, total manipulation ....either accept someone's apology or don't...don't go around with the hugs and the big gestures of forgiveness then drag it all up again when it suits ya...Darren is a fake....and Johns concern about Darren was warranted, he was right....Darren been clean from cigarettes for 18 months now he smokes so heavy every time he blows his nose he has a fall of soot....I guarantee that if he hits the bottle he will again use John as his excuse...I find Darren twitchy and nervous and flaky

[Carl Jayson]

''Get John out!''

[cfromhx02]

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[letmein]

Using his dead father to make Gemma look like a monster is one example.