[Crimson Dynamo]

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

It does seem a bit strange that it does usually appear to be fit young men...but maybe that is because they ant to work here and send money back for their families or something? I know thats the case with a lot of Polish people..one member of the family comes for money, and sends the money home each payday.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

'According to the United Nations High Commission on Refugees (UNHCR), the statistical breakdown of the refugees are pretty much split 50-50 between men and women.
However, of those who have travelled by sea through the Mediterranean, 69% are male adults, 18% are children and 13% are female adults.
UNHCR Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean

Now, not all of these are Syrians, although the majority of them are. There are also a number of people from Afghanistan and a small number from Eritrea and various other countries (all of which contribute 3% or less to the total). It is likely that a large number of these people who have made the journey anyway, as Europe generally receives tens of thousands of asylum seekers each year.

While the majority of those seeking asylum in Europe might be adult males, the statistics from the UNHCR show that of the total refugees coming out of the Syrian conflict, the split is pretty even, and around 38% of them are children under 12.

There isn't just one reason why hundreds of thousands of people make the decision to travel on this perilous path. There are a number of reasons why it might be adult males making the journey by sea:

The threat of daily violence has become too much to bear
Fear of forced conscription in Syria by both the government and Islamist groups, including ISIS
Better economic opportunities
Easier for men to undertake the journey by themselves than with their families or their partners, both financially and physically'

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-man...gees-young-men

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

The media have decided that the image of a dead child being washed up on a shore is only good for treating refugees like humans for a few months but nothing more than that. We're back to the ol' 'Refugees are scrounging scum that are barely human' viewpoint now and so most of the mainstream media will only present images that reinforce that view. They'll focus on imagery of young men because it's easier for people like you to distrust them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The media have decided that the image of a dead child being washed up on a shore is only good for treating refugees like humans for a few months but nothing more than that. We're back to the ol' 'Refugees are scrounging scum that are barely human' viewpoint now and so most of the mainstream media will only present images that reinforce that view. They'll focus on imagery of young men because it's easier for people like you to distrust them.

I find all this propaganda nonsense really alarming and the way people swallow it so gustily, depressing.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'According to the United Nations High Commission on Refugees (UNHCR), the statistical breakdown of the refugees are pretty much split 50-50 between men and women.
However, of those who have travelled by sea through the Mediterranean, 69% are male adults, 18% are children and 13% are female adults.
UNHCR Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean

Now, not all of these are Syrians, although the majority of them are. There are also a number of people from Afghanistan and a small number from Eritrea and various other countries (all of which contribute 3% or less to the total). It is likely that a large number of these people who have made the journey anyway, as Europe generally receives tens of thousands of asylum seekers each year.

While the majority of those seeking asylum in Europe might be adult males, the statistics from the UNHCR show that of the total refugees coming out of the Syrian conflict, the split is pretty even, and around 38% of them are children under 12.

There isn't just one reason why hundreds of thousands of people make the decision to travel on this perilous path. There are a number of reasons why it might be adult males making the journey by sea:

The threat of daily violence has become too much to bear
Fear of forced conscription in Syria by both the government and Islamist groups, including ISIS
Better economic opportunities
Easier for men to undertake the journey by themselves than with their families or their partners, both financially and physically'

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-so-man...gees-young-men

Thank you Kizzy.
Sadly, people don't read information they don't want to know and so there's only a few people on here who will bother to read that.

[empire]

its about time a country grow a pair, and make them refugees understand that nothing is free in this world, why do you think that the danish people's party knocked out the socialists majority last year, because the people their are fed up, the welfare system in western europe only attracts flies to a blue light, charity starts at home,

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by empire

its about time a country grow a pair, and make them refugees understand that nothing is free in this world, why do you think that the danish people's party knocked out the socialists majority last year, because the people their are fed up, the welfare system in western europe only attracts flies to a blue light, charity starts at home,

Says the man who feels safe on his own turf.

[Ammi]

..and sadly people feel they know and can judge what peope do and don't read and whether they 'bother' to do something or not...people read the same information and take different things from that information and what one person takes is just as valid as something another person takes...and the 'swallowing' of propaganda is not specific to a section of people either...in this thread and many of these threads, opinions are given with reasons and reasoning, whether agreed with or not...they're not just thrown out there for the heck of it and come from equal intelligence and equal information, which have helped form their own views etc...this for me personally is a complicated topic and one which I would want to give some thought to and not have any 'knee-jerk' rections because this might not be by any means, an ideal thing but at least it's trying to aim for a 'fair soloution'/what the Danish Government feel to be fair and something, I feel to be considered and not just immediately dismissed....what's sad is that these things can't be discussed and opinions and thoughts shared without so much personal jufgement.../it really, really just kills debate, rather than encourage it....the topic itself/news story is interesting enough, there's no need to comment on anything other than it...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by empire

its about time a country grow a pair, and make them refugees understand that nothing is free in this world, why do you think that the danish people's party knocked out the socialists majority last year, because the people their are fed up, the welfare system in western europe only attracts flies to a blue light, charity starts at home,

Flies, cockroaches, swarms, marauders... Credit where it's due Mr Pickles ( eek!) has a point.

'Sir Eric Pickles, who served in Cameron’s Cabinet in the last Government as the Communities Secretary, drew parallels with the Kindertransport scheme that rescued children from Nazi Germany in the months before the Second World War broke out.
'We need to remember that the last train that was disrupted by the war, only two of those children survived and they along with their families were killed. But I think there are some clear parallels that we need to address,' he said in a Commons debate yesterday.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-migrants.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and sadly people feel they know and can judge what peope do and don't read and whether they 'bother' to do something or not...people read the same information and take different things from that information and what one person takes is just as valid as something another person takes...and the 'swallowing' of propaganda is not specific to a section of people either...in this thread and many of these threads, opinions are given with reasons and reasoning, whether agreed with or not...they're not just thrown out there for the heck of it and come from equal intelligence and equal information, which have helped form their own views etc...this for me personally is a complicated topic and one which I would want to give some thought to and not have any 'knee-jerk' rections because this might not be by any means, an ideal thing but at least it's trying to aim for a 'fair soloution'/what the Danish Government feel to be fair and something, I feel to be considered and not just immediately dismissed....what's sad is that these things can't be discussed and opinions and thoughts shared without so much personal jufgement.../it really, really just kills debate, rather than encourage it....the topic itself/news story is interesting enough, there's no need to comment on anything other than it...

So if this is the case Ammi where is this information, and how is it possible they can read one thing and form the polar opposite opinion...it makes little sense that in all seriousness. What else can be concluded when information is constantly provided and the same tired phrases are trotted out, it's wearing, and I find it personally exasperating.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and sadly people feel they know and can judge what peope do and don't read and whether they 'bother' to do something or not...people read the same information and take different things from that information and what one person takes is just as valid as something another person takes...and the 'swallowing' of propaganda is not specific to a section of people either...in this thread and many of these threads, opinions are given with reasons and reasoning, whether agreed with or not...they're not just thrown out there for the heck of it and come from equal intelligence and equal information, which have helped form their own views etc...this for me personally is a complicated topic and one which I would want to give some thought to and not have any 'knee-jerk' rections because this might not be by any means, an ideal thing but at least it's trying to aim for a 'fair soloution'/what the Danish Government feel to be fair and something, I feel to be considered and not just immediately dismissed....what's sad is that these things can't be discussed and opinions and thoughts shared without so much personal jufgement.../it really, really just kills debate, rather than encourage it....the topic itself/news story is interesting enough, there's no need to comment on anything other than it...

Well said Ammi.
Sadly there are many people who view the world always as a glass half empty rather than a glass half full. Leave them to it i say. That record will always be played over and over regardless of what the topic of discussion is because that's all they know.

[UserSince2005]

At the end of the day if I wanted government help I'd need to spend all my savings, sell my car and sell my home. Why shouldn't migrants have to do the same to receive government help?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Well said Ammi.
Sadly there are many people who view the world always as a glass half empty rather than a glass half full. Leave them to it i say. That record will always be played over and over regardless of what the topic of discussion is because that's all they know.

What record?... Fight the power?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and sadly people feel they know and can judge what peope do and don't read and whether they 'bother' to do something or not...people read the same information and take different things from that information and what one person takes is just as valid as something another person takes...and the 'swallowing' of propaganda is not specific to a section of people either...in this thread and many of these threads, opinions are given with reasons and reasoning, whether agreed with or not...they're not just thrown out there for the heck of it and come from equal intelligence and equal information, which have helped form their own views etc...this for me personally is a complicated topic and one which I would want to give some thought to and not have any 'knee-jerk' rections because this might not be by any means, an ideal thing but at least it's trying to aim for a 'fair soloution'/what the Danish Government feel to be fair and something, I feel to be considered and not just immediately dismissed....what's sad is that these things can't be discussed and opinions and thoughts shared without so much personal jufgement.../it really, really just kills debate, rather than encourage it....the topic itself/news story is interesting enough, there's no need to comment on anything other than it...

Are you suggesting we can judge the world but we can't judge the perceived reaction of people on here?

I see a lot of immigrant bashing going on within these four walls from certain members. People who all too often write once short senseless paragraph that says nothing other than, 'fcuk em'.

Give me educational links to back up any side of a debate and I'll scrutinize both but give me some ill judged reaction without backing it up, then whatever your side is...I'm not on it.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its a democratic choice, who are you to call out democracy?

As if true democracy even exists anymore

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Are you suggesting we can judge the world but we can't judge the perceived reaction of people on here?

I see a lot of immigrant bashing going on within these four walls from certain members. People who all too often write once short senseless paragraph that says nothing other than, 'fcuk em'.

Give me educational links to back up any side of a debate and I'll scrutinize both but give me some ill judged reaction without backing it up, then whatever your side is...I'm not on it.

Fair point well made, you can't just presume some are well read and give them the benefit of the doubt that any old spiel spouted is credible, I'm sorry call me a cynic but not buying that at all either.
So yes I feel justified shutting down the debate too if that's all on offer to counter any research I put forward, some half baked headline... jog on.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

At the end of the day if I wanted government help I'd need to spend all my savings, sell my car and sell my home. Why shouldn't migrants have to do the same to receive government help?

Because they're refugees, not immagrints, I don't think people grasp how badly ****ed up Syria became in such a short span of time, maybe these will help.

[Kizzy]

Chewy that is so sad, it's totally desecrated... I don't think judging by what Pickles said there's any time left for the refugees left there
I wonder sometimes if there was ever a plan to rescue them.

[Johnnyuk123]

[lostalex]

I think America still deserves reparations for the wars in the middle east that we've gotten involved in since 9/11. we've spent BILLIONS helping muslims and on the wars to fight the extremist muslims, when are we going to be paid back by arabs and muslims??

Donald trump is a joke, but he does make some good points, just like a broken clock gets it right twice a day... why haven't we made the arabs pay us back for all we have done for them in the past 15 years?? maybe we should just take their oil.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

I've noticed that too. Late last year we got 90 refugees in our town and all the one I've seen are fit looking young men.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I see mostly young men in their twenties when i see these migrants

how come they are the only ones fleeing war and rape?

I've noticed that too. Late last year we got 90 refugees in our town and all the one I've seen are young and healthy looking.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Are you suggesting we can judge the world but we can't judge the perceived reaction of people on here?

I see a lot of immigrant bashing going on within these four walls from certain members. People who all too often write once short senseless paragraph that says nothing other than, 'fcuk em'.

Give me educational links to back up any side of a debate and I'll scrutinize both but give me some ill judged reaction without backing it up, then whatever your side is...I'm not on it.

..it's not about 'immigrant bashing' as you call it or 'perceived reactions' because nothing was allowed for in 'there's only a few people on here who will bother to read that.'....that's an assumption and a presumption that is not for you or anyone else to make because you don't know what anyone reads or what anyone doesn't read and it's a very condescending and quite 'superior' remark..it's also quite attacking, there was no waiting to see any reading or any comments after that reading, if any were made..?...all there was, was a condescending and judgemental 'there are only a few people on here who will bother to read', which is also very ironic, given the topic...all these things do/these remarks is to detract from what's being discussed..they not only don't add anything but they so often start a path of what has sadly so often become a series of personal comments of back and forth and back and forth and back and forth over the last while, to the point that not only does the topic become lost in it all, but it truly does make it difficult for others to join a thread or have any inclination to do so, because of personal agendas and the silliness of it all....you didn't 'scrutinize' anything because you didn't allow for anything to be scrutinized, you made an offensive pre-judgement that 'people wouldn't bother' and you aimed it specifically at posters in the thread..I'm sure that you'll agree that, that won't encourage debate but lead to 'defensiveness' which will only take off track and starts to kill all debate....a real basic 'no, no' in debate, you could say....and also not in any way, judging or opposing someone's views but judging them personally and in my opinion, in quite a 'superior' way....

..anyways, other than the topic itself, if I join the discussion..this will be the last post/response etc I make because this again, is only detracting from the debate....I love the debate section, I love the discussions and I think it's sad and a shame that so many threads/so many debates are marred/detracted from, because of unnecessary personal judgements...'will bother to read' is not judging an opinion, it's judging a person or people, before they've even had an opportunity to read or comment if they choose to do so.. and not only unnecessary but also without any foundation...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Because they're refugees, not immagrints, I don't think people grasp how badly ****ed up Syria became in such a short span of time, maybe these will help.

..I know Chewy, these are people who have so little anyway and I don't personally think that any 'familiars' that they may bring should be taken because of possible monetary value....but I do also understand the thought process of it, of 'fair'..and if the general public feel that it's not fair to them who have had to deplete savings etc or any little they personally have before being given any government help...then that in itself won't help in the acceptance of immigrants either, will it....I mean, it's just going to further the 'what about us' thought process and the circle goes round and round and more feelings of negativity and 'opposed'....it's trying to get that balance really of we must help if we are able to but with stretched finances, how long would that be possible..?...I really don't know what the answer to that is, I don't think it's this but it's finding what it is, isn't it...