[arista]

[Jones, 29, and Hunt, 29, of Doncaster Road, Rotherham, both deny murder and are expected to blame each other, the court heard.

The trial continues.]


Evil Punks

[Ammi]

..even if it is established in court that this was a purely racist murder then it still doesn't make it anything more than an isolated act of two hate filled/racist men not indicative of anything more...much the same way as isolated non-terrorist incidents of hatefilled people screaming This is for Syria before slitting a non Muslim throat or any other such the like hate-filled isolated incidents...you may call terrorist and add to the hate/fuel it but I do not, I take these racist incidents, which sadly there has always been and probably always will be, as completely isolated in what they are...


..just directly to the OP herself, I know how passionately you feel about media slants and potentially 'inciting' etc and I do understand any outrage/passion of feelings about this murder, I really do...but I think there is a danger of people becoming 'alarmist' also in 'kneejerk', which would have a very counter-productive effect and the media would then be manipulating us as well...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..even if it is established in court that this was a purely racist murder then it still doesn't make it anything more than an isolated act of two hate filled/racist men not indicative of anything more...much the same way as isolated non-terrorist incidents of hatefilled people screaming This is for Syria before slitting a non Muslim throat or any other such the like hate-filled isolated incidents...you may call terrorist and add to the hate/fuel it but I do not, I take these racist incidents, which sadly there has always been and probably always will be, as completely isolated in what they are...


..just directly to the OP herself, I know how passionately you feel about media slants and potentially 'inciting' etc and I do understand any outrage/passion of feelings about this murder, I really do...but I think there is a danger of people becoming 'alarmist' also in 'kneejerk', which would have a very counter-productive effect and the media would then be manipulating us as well...

Is this a suggestion these acts (bolded) can't be considered extremist or terrorist either?

An increase in attacks is worthy of discussion without being considered alarmist, why would reportage of attacks be counter productive?
I'd worry suppression of that information would be manipulative.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-paris-attacks

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..even if it is established in court that this was a purely racist murder then it still doesn't make it anything more than an isolated act of two hate filled/racist men not indicative of anything more...much the same way as isolated non-terrorist incidents of hatefilled people screaming This is for Syria before slitting a non Muslim throat or any other such the like hate-filled isolated incidents...you may call terrorist and add to the hate/fuel it but I do not, I take these racist incidents, which sadly there has always been and probably always will be, as completely isolated in what they are...


..just directly to the OP herself, I know how passionately you feel about media slants and potentially 'inciting' etc and I do understand any outrage/passion of feelings about this murder, I really do...but I think there is a danger of people becoming 'alarmist' also in 'kneejerk', which would have a very counter-productive effect and the media would then be manipulating us as well...

Racism has gone up by a massive 69% in the UK since the French incident. I live in central London and the white supremacy marches are running amok. Crime against Muslims, mostly women and children is at a record high and so it was only a matter of time before a racial hate murder was committed.

I'm not sure what you mean about knee-jerk reaction? do you mean to this thread (the first of its kind I believe) ? or all the threads that keep going up about Muslims committing crimes? The only reaction you can have to a thread like this is a sense of sadness and anger towards this man's killers but on that other thread about Muslim rape, I've seen a few very strong knee-jerk reactions towards Muslims not just the rapists.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Racism has gone up by a massive 69% in the UK since the French incident. I live in central London and the white supremacy marches are running amok. Crime against Muslims, mostly women and children is at a record high and so it was only a matter of time before a racial hate murder was committed.

I'm not sure what you mean about knee-jerk reaction? do you mean to this thread (the first of its kind I believe) ? or all the threads that keep going up about Muslims committing crimes? The only reaction you can have to a thread like this is a sense of sadness and anger towards this man's killers but on that other thread about Muslim rape, I've seen a few very strong knee-jerk reactions towards Muslims not just the rapists.

I think you need to be careful about terms. People are rightly concerned after the events in Paris, they have been told by governments to be more vigilant and careful. That advice doesn't come without consequences, but it doesn't necessarily equate to racism either

Some English fans used to go abroad and cause havoc where ever they went. It was a small bunch out of the total, number of fans, but the towns where they visited would be vigilant and prepared for trouble from any English fans. That doesn't make them racist, not in the least.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think you need to be careful about terms. People are rightly concerned after the events in Paris, they have been told by governments to be more vigilant and careful. That advice doesn't come without consequences, but it doesn't necessarily equate to racism either

Some English fans used to go abroad and cause havoc where ever they went. It was a small bunch out of the total, number of fans, but the towns where they visited would be vigilant and prepared for trouble from any English fans. That doesn't make them racist, not in the least.

But would it have been acceptable for everybody to fear the whole population of England based on a small group of hooligans? No, that would be silliness

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think you need to be careful about terms. People are rightly concerned after the events in Paris, they have been told by governments to be more vigilant and careful. That advice doesn't come without consequences, but it doesn't necessarily equate to racism either

Some English fans used to go abroad and cause havoc where ever they went. It was a small bunch out of the total, number of fans, but the towns where they visited would be vigilant and prepared for trouble from any English fans. That doesn't make them racist, not in the least.

Careful about what terms?
Some people were concerned after the events in Paris and some people remained concerned because the government and popular media were warning us all to be more vigilant. My question was and still is, be more vigilant about what exactly? I have Muslims all around me, what am I supposed to be looking out for?. Should I learn Arabic? or just listen for random words like 'Allah Akbar'?. Should I be checking the Muslim guy on the tube to make sure he doesn't have a knife? that he's not about to slit my throat?.

At the same time our government were telling us all to be vigilant (whatever that means) they were rushing through new snooping laws for this "war on terror" . They'd already been spanked for snooping on us without our permission and were still smarting from the Snowden leaks. This new 'war on terror' has now given our government cart-blanc permission to push through new legislation that we would otherwise refuse to have. From where I'm sitting, it feels like we've all been played.

We have keep the threat in proportion to what happens in our life every day. The chances of me being attacked or involved in an incident by an Islamic terrorist is probably as remote as winning the national lottery.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

[Jones, 29, and Hunt, 29, of Doncaster Road, Rotherham, both deny murder and are expected to blame each other, the court heard.

The trial continues.]


Evil Punks

...'friends in hate', enemies in self preservation, eh...