[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

the FACTS

https://fullfact.org/health/weekend-...nhs-hospitals/

Increased mortality for admissions at the weekend

The study looked at 14 million admissions to NHS hospitals during the 2009/10 financial year. Of these, 300,000 patients died within 30 days of admission. These deaths occurred either in hospital or after the patient had been discharged.

Patients had a 16% greater risk of death within the 30 day period if they'd been admitted on a Sunday than if admitted on a Wednesday. That's adjusting for things like the age of patients or their social deprivation, which might otherwise have distorted the result. For patients admitted on Saturday the risk was was 11% higher than for Wednesday, and for Monday it was 2%. On other days of the week there was no statistically significant difference.

I don't think I understand this? So does this mean, for example someone could have been brought in on a Sunday, die on the following Thursday and class as a 'Sunday death' for the sake of the poll as they were brought in on that day?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think I understand this? So does this mean, for example someone could have been brought in on a Sunday, die on the following Thursday and class as a 'Sunday death' for the sake of the poll as they were brought in on that day?

For every person admitted on a sunday they were 16% more likely die than those admitted on a Wednesday...so if 6000 people died after being admitted on Wednesday, that would equate to 7000 people dying after being admitted on a sunday. the doctors and labour, disingenuously deny there is any link between the skeleton staff provided at weekends and this 16% difference in death rates. that's like denying 2 + 2 is 4. you have skeleton staff and more people will get sick, less will be treated to the same standard and yes sadly more people will die. its high time we had these proper comprehensive 7 day a week shift patterns to ensure the exactly same staffing and levels of care are the same high standard throughout , its frankly insane its never happened before

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

For every person admitted on a sunday they were 16% more likely die than those admitted on a Wednesday...so if 6000 people died after being admitted on Wednesday, that would equate to 7000 people dying after being admitted on a sunday. the doctors and labour, disingenuously deny there is any link between the skeleton staff provided at weekends and this 16% difference in death rates. that's like denying 2 + 2 is 4. you have skeleton staff and more people will get sick, less will be treated to the same standard and yes sadly more people will die. its high time we had these proper comprehensive 7 day a week shift patterns to ensure the exactly same staffing and levels of care are the same high standard throughout , its frankly insane its never happened before

The way it is worded makes not much sense though?

Its all about dying within 30 days of admission date right? So again, if someone was admitted on a Sunday, but then died later in the week...would this class as a Sunday death (or % ) for the sake of the poll? Because if this is how it works, it actually proves nothing given they didn't even die at the weekend, they were just admitted then? They could have survived 3 weeksned and then died midweek...if that makes sense?

Or have I got it totally wrong and its nothing to do with 30 days and they die ON the day they are admitted?

I'm not trying to be awkward, I just genuinely don't understand the way its all worded