[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This is not about whether you're left or right wing. Many Conservative and Labour supporters including Conservative and Labour politicians do not agree with everything their party is doing. What your saying here is, if you support the Tories, you must support what Hunt is doing

That's a lie.
I am saying the EXACT OPPOSITE TO YOUR DISINGENUOUS TWISTING OF MY WORDS
people should look at this objectively regardless of party politics, whether you hate socialism or hate the tories
in this instant, the tories are in the right and labour are hopelessly wrong
all I care about is the best result for the patients and the best result is hunts contract

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

That's a lie.
I am saying the EXACT OPPOSITE TO YOUR DISINGENUOUS TWISTING OF MY WORDS
people should look at this objectively regardless of party politics, whether you hate socialism or hate the tories
in this instant, the tories are in the right and labour are hopelessly wrong
all I care about is the best result for the patients and the best result is hunts contract

Before you call me a liar and get your panties in a wad, I'll have you know that I was an out and out LD supporter before the coalition. I supported the one party that was going to stop the sell off of the NHS. Unfortunately Clegg jumped in between the sheets with David Cameron during the coalition and consequently lost a lot of votes, including mine.

You can't have a debate by trying to bully your way through it. Suggesting that Labour did all this is laughable because we all know about the appalling way Labour treated the NHS but they were on the same mission Cameron's on now. Labour failed its British public just as the Conservatives presently fail the British public.

Edited to add: you claim you only care about the patients and yet you've only done Tory right research and you believe it all.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Before you call me a liar and get your panties in a wad, I'll have you know that I was an out and out LD supporter before the coalition. I supported the one party that was going to stop the sell off of the NHS. Unfortunately Clegg jumped in between the sheets with David Cameron during the coalition and consequently lost a lot of votes, including mine.

You can't have a debate by trying to bully your way through it. Suggesting that Labour did all this is laughable because we all know about the appalling way Labour treated the NHS but they were on the same mission Cameron's on now. Labour failed its British public just as the Conservatives presently fail the British public.

Edited to add: you claim you only care about the patients and yet you've only done Tory right research and you believe it all.

You lied in your previous posts.

Oh here comes the bully word for people who disagree and out you for lying.
zzzzzzzz

Again you lie, Ive not done ONLY tory right research

You need to refocus and go visit some sick people on hospital wards on the weekends and really study them closely to see how neglected a lot of them are. Youd be lucky to even get scanned in many hospitals on the weekend

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

You lied in your previous posts.

Oh here comes the bully word for people who disagree and out you for lying.
zzzzzzzz

Again you lie, Ive not done ONLY tory right research

You need to refocus and go visit some sick people on hospital wards on the weekends and really study them closely to see how neglected a lot of them are. Youd be lucky to even get scanned in many hospitals on the weekend

go and have a word with yourself. If your not lucky enough to get scanned at the weekend its hardly the doctors fault.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

go and have a word with yourself. If your not lucky enough to get scanned at the weekend its hardly the doctors fault.

this is yet another of your answers that makes no sense
1000s more die because they get a substandard skeleton staff service at weekends, FACT. YOU don't seem to care about that, I do.
It matters not whose fault it is to the patient, the end result is all that matters to them.
the fact is its a collective failure to have a proper weekend service. not the tories have had the bottle to address it thankfully. labour need to stop sucking up to the unions now and stop arguing against it and fight for how best to now achieve it. staggered rota systems for everyone are inevitable.
they can be smart now by admitting its essential but at the same time fight to keep it public

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

this is yet another of your answers that makes no sense
1000s more die because they get a substandard skeleton staff service at weekends, FACT. YOU don't seem to care about that, I do.
It matters not whose fault it is to the patient, the end result is all that matters to them.
the fact is its a collective failure to have a proper weekend service. not the tories have had the bottle to address it thankfully. labour need to stop sucking up to the unions now and stop arguing against it and fight for how best to now achieve it. staggered rota systems for everyone are inevitable.
they can be smart now by admitting its essential but at the same time fight to keep it public

You clearly haven't read my earlier posts on here because if you had, you would of read what I wrote about skeleton consultants, skeleton diagnostics and skeleton admin staff. Put all the junior doctors on weekends but without the others their hands are tied and people will still die from lack of staff at the weekend.

If the government had put a staggered rota system in for everyone then the problem would of been solved but they haven't have they?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You clearly haven't read my earlier posts on here because if you had, you would of read what I wrote about skeleton consultants, skeleton diagnostics and skeleton admin staff. Put all the junior doctors on weekends but without the others their hands are tied and people will still die from lack of staff at the weekend.

If the government had put a staggered rota system in for everyone then the problem would of been solved but they haven't have they?

Well exactly, even the things Truth is talking about, such as MRSA and neglect of patients everyday needs (which does happen, that much is true) would be solved by having higher staffing levels for cleaning and things like general health care. Most of the neglect is really simple things - like people being left thirsty or uncomfortable or just unnoticed. You don't need doctors or even nurses working longer hours to tackle these issues... You need a higher level of basic staff presence, period.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You clearly haven't read my earlier posts on here because if you had, you would of read what I wrote about skeleton consultants, skeleton diagnostics and skeleton admin staff. Put all the junior doctors on weekends but without the others their hands are tied and people will still die from lack of staff at the weekend.

If the government had put a staggered rota system in for everyone then the problem would of been solved but they haven't have they?

totally agree with your last few sentences......quite how that hasn't happened simultaneously is a total mystery. you have to stagger it all of course. some say that will happen next. some have suggested this will follow, but its not been made that clear and hunt has undoubtedly made a pigs ear out of it all. even though I do agree with the tories premise to make it 24/7 staggered system on continental work patterns