[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn

Another ignorant generalisation

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

funding can be provided at the job centres....its also worth noting these many people on benefits and hobbling a but should cutback on booze and cigarettes too to save for this

Not really, they MAY refer you to a training provider to get your Maths and English up to scratch but any specialised courses are typically only paid for if you can prove you'll have a job ready by the end of it which is mostly useless since few companies will wait for you to get qualified.

The next thing you said was typical ignorant rubbish.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not really, they MAY refer you to a training provider to get your Maths and English up to scratch but any specialised courses are typically only paid for if you can prove you'll have a job ready by the end of it which is mostly useless since few companies will wait for you to get qualified.

The next thing you said was typical ignorant rubbish.

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by the truth

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

Where is this fact? Can you provide a link that backs your claim up?

It's not fact at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

No, they don't. English and Maths is free to them so they'll refer you to that no problem but they don't make specialist training readily available unless you've been offered a job already and even then you have to fight tooth and nail for it.

Yeah I do work, I'd say the same to you but I guess being the mayor of Imaginationland is a full time role.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

no your being ignorant as always....Many people on benefits waste their benefits and the kids benefits on booze and cigarettes, fact. You choose to lie and ignore it in your liberal wonderland that's your choice to be ignorant to the truth

I think you are wrong and many is not all anyway, as your original generalisation inferred.

There are no facts to print what claimants spend their money on so you cannot substantiate that comment really.

However, were you even right in any way and I don't think you are as to that.
Then you should be pleased they do,since they would be paying heavier taxes than most as to duty so a great proportion of their benefits will be returning to the treasury.

Thankfully I never believe the Sun's or Daily Mail's over exaggerrated headlines on these issues, and it isn't what I have found either to be the case with the people I have helped as to ensuring they are getting the right and full benefits.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

now my advice to a man like that is that if he can find the spirit in himself to climb off the canvas to find work, albeit lesser work and lesser paid, anything is better than benefits.....whilst hes in work he will be meeting people and socializing more....he may refind a zest for life..who knows whilst in work he may find a person or an opportunity better suited to his needs...this surely wont happen at home with the curtains drawn on benefits.....men in this country are far more discriminated against than women, far far far more. there is less support, theres far more economic pressure on men too....men MUST work. if they don't they risk losing everything and having their wives throw them out and losing their home their kids wife and career all at the same time. this is exactly why male suicised are at record highs across the entire western society.....oh and they say men should talk about it...I AM talking about it and I get shouted down as being sexist for doing so. proving men cant win, no wonder so many kill themselves

The problem is, low paid work, for more than a month or two would ensure a repossession order on the mortgage he can no longer afford. Its a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You can spend huge amounts of time refining CV's for job applications and going for interviews. My husband used to be a stock broker and that's a real rag to riches kind of job but its a job that is so insecure because of dirty dealings that go on within the industry that you never know if your going to have work the following week. I can think of six times when he was looking for employment but fortunately he'd put enough by to see him through those rough times. The diligence he had put into his employment was equally used to find new employment but he needed lots of time and a huge amount of effort to get their. If he had claimed benefits would they of insisted on some mundane course or made him go for pointless interviews as a road sweeper? If so, then they would of been restraining his potential and delaying his attempts to find the sort of work he needed.

As far as men being more vulnerable than women, there are plenty of exceptions but I do tend to agree with you, especially regarding family units where the woman is a stay at home mum or only works part time. The responsibility on the man to provide the bread and butter can be huge and the guilt he must go through when he loses his job has to be devastating. Yes, in general, married men with children are more vulnerable and must suffer from a huge fear of loss when they find themselves on the unemployment ladder.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, they don't. English and Maths is free to them so they'll refer you to that no problem but they don't make specialist training readily available unless you've been offered a job already and even then you have to fight tooth and nail for it.

Yeah I do work, I'd say the same to you but I guess being the mayor of Imaginationland is a full time role.

You're right. If you have a job offer they do pay for the relevant training to take that job. But rarely.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, they don't. English and Maths is free to them so they'll refer you to that no problem but they don't make specialist training readily available unless you've been offered a job already and even then you have to fight tooth and nail for it.

Yeah I do work, I'd say the same to you but I guess being the mayor of Imaginationland is a full time role.

yes they do youre lying again. they fund all sorts of things free forklift driving minibus licenses bus license taxi licenses the list goes on and on.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The problem is, low paid work, for more than a month or two would ensure a repossession order on the mortgage he can no longer afford. Its a case of being damned if you do and damned if you don't.

You can spend huge amounts of time refining CV's for job applications and going for interviews. My husband used to be a stock broker and that's a real rag to riches kind of job but its a job that is so insecure because of dirty dealings that go on within the industry that you never know if your going to have work the following week. I can think of six times when he was looking for employment but fortunately he'd put enough by to see him through those rough times. The diligence he had put into his employment was equally used to find new employment but he needed lots of time and a huge amount of effort to get their. If he had claimed benefits would they of insisted on some mundane course or made him go for pointless interviews as a road sweeper? If so, then they would of been restraining his potential and delaying his attempts to find the sort of work he needed.

As far as men being more vulnerable than women, there are plenty of exceptions but I do tend to agree with you, especially regarding family units where the woman is a stay at home mum or only works part time. The responsibility on the man to provide the bread and butter can be huge and the guilt he must go through when he loses his job has to be devastating. Yes, in general, married men with children are more vulnerable and must suffer from a huge fear of loss when they find themselves on the unemployment ladder.

good post, glad weve found some middle ground

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Glenn

You're right. If you have a job offer they do pay for the relevant training to take that job. But rarely.

its t rarely at all, its more the case that not

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think you are wrong and many is not all anyway, as your original generalisation inferred.

There are no facts to print what claimants spend their money on so you cannot substantiate that comment really.

However, were you even right in any way and I don't think you are as to that.
Then you should be pleased they do,since they would be paying heavier taxes than most as to duty so a great proportion of their benefits will be returning to the treasury.

Thankfully I never believe the Sun's or Daily Mail's over exaggerrated headlines on these issues, and it isn't what I have found either to be the case with the people I have helped as to ensuring they are getting the right and full benefits.

you read the daily mail as much as you like, I get ALL my knowledge from real life experience ive employed 100s of people I know what im talking about from extensive first hand experience, you clearly do not

[Josy]

The jobcentre very rarely provide the training that people need to get employment that's including security badges, forklift licenses and so on even if you need a disclosure certificate you have to arrange and pay for it by yourself.

And as others have said you have to fight very hard for them to finally put you through what you need even if you've had a job offer.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

The jobcentre very rarely provide the training that people need to get employment that's including security badges, forklift licenses and so on even if you need a disclosure certificate you have to arrange and pay for it by yourself.

And as others have said you have to fight very hard for them to finally put you through what you need even if you've had a job offer.

youre 100% wrong. the job centre get in touch with the training centres and they supply the training for free, they also pay for licenses

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes they do youre lying again. they fund all sorts of things free forklift driving minibus licenses bus license taxi licenses the list goes on and on.

Maybe the Job Centres do that in Imaginationland but in the real world they won't lift a finger unless you fit very specific criteria and even then chances are they won't fund it.

[Glenn.]

I think instead of calling people liars when they are conveying facts to you, the truth, you should go away and do some proper research.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre 100% wrong. the job centre get in touch with the training centres and they supply the training for free, they also pay for licenses

No I'm not 100% wrong, do some research into it before claiming that you know more than others do.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Maybe the Job Centres do that in Imaginationland but in the real world they won't lift a finger unless you fit very specific criteria and even then chances are they won't fund it.

stop fudging it and stop feeding lies to job seekers , the job centre do fund it youre 100% wrong as are your kronies

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

No I'm not 100% wrong, do some research into it before claiming that you know more than others do.

I have and youre still 100% wrong. you haven't got a clue what youre talking about.

[Tom4784]

There's no point in talking to him. He's like a Little Britain Sketch, he's repetitive and offers diminishing returns.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no point in talking to him. He's like a Little Britain Sketch, he's repetitive and offers diminishing returns.

go get help off your kronies..youre 100% wrong I am 100% right..stop spreading lies and false propaganda about the help that's available to the jobless...youre giving them misinformation and that's frankly disgusting and proves how sincere you are and that clearly you don't really care about the jobless. The job centre WILL fund these licenses to get them back to work, you should try it for yourself

[Josy]

Originally Posted by the truth

stop fudging it and stop feeding lies to job seekers , the job centre do fund it youre 100% wrong as are your kronies

You are extremely rude and seem to be incapable of taking part in a discussion like an adult.

I really didn't want to post personal info like this but **** it.

One of my sister's currently works for the DWP, the jobcentre WILL NOT FUND the biggest majority of training courses that jobseekers need to take, even IF they have been given an offer of employment at the end of the training, the jobcentre will even go as far as to STOP CLAIMANTS BENEFITS, if they take part in any training courses that are over 15 and 3 quarter hours per week.

Jobseeker Advisors have something called the Advisor Discretionary Fund which they need to use for paying out travel expenses and clothing expenses for jobseekers to attend and travel to interviews etc, it's not a big fund and they even have to apply for the money from that fund for the things I stated above.

The Jobcentre will not even pay for any CRB checks or similar any more.

What the jobcentres here can do (In Scotland I don't know if they have this elsewhere) is sign you up for an ILA account which provid people on a low income with up to Ł200 to take a training course BUT the course has to be on the list that the jobcentre provides, this fund is also how they pay for things like sending jobseekers to a course to write up a CV.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

you read the daily mail as much as you like, I get ALL my knowledge from real life experience ive employed 100s of people I know what im talking about from extensive first hand experience, you clearly do not

I would never ever read the Daily Mail,it is bad enough catching glances at its over exaggerrated front pages,never mind ever bothering to read inside it.

You may have employed 100s of people, well I have seen 100s of people too from my research and experience at Uni and also over the last 18 months looking out for those most vulnerable after getting involved through things arising at the law firm I joined after Uni.

You really are very insulting at times, you have fiorst hand experience but you never come across the things others are saying on here as to the unemployed.
Your experience is in employment it seems, you paint a picture of where you live and what goes on there making it sound like it is from another planet rather than in the UK.
Where a great number of posters on this thread alone, find situations far removed from your generalisations of those out of work in their areas and across the UK too as a whole.

I always talk from real life experiences and I have sat there in court with people supporting them having to fight to get benefits restored,benefits that should never have been removed or reduced in the first place.
In your world that doesn't happen it seems.

Furthermore, I have gone out my way supporting 'vulnerable' people, sick,disabled or healthy in attending jobcentres, where they get spoken to as if they are the lowest of the low at times.

For every success story you present as the norm, there are many others involved everyday picking up the pieces of others lives, who cannot get a break, cannot get the help this govt; says is on offer but generally is more likely found not to be.

I mentioned the Daily Mail because very sadly, (and I do try at times to see your point of view), a great deal of what you say in your posts could have come direct from their front pages or the Sun's as to those out of work or in a vulnerable state.

That may be your harder line view personally, however while I and others on here would concede some people work the system, some people even fraudulently claim benefits too and also some may genuinely never want to work.
They are the minority in all likelihood, not just about everyone as you would say they are.

Then you choose to resort to almost telling people they are lying and insult their intelligence as in that only your view can possibly be the correct one.
Don't tell me I do not present real life experience situations from where I have spent endless hours dealing with and supporting those who cannot get help, who have to then hear people, as you are doing, judge,condemn and generalise as to them that they are all probably wastes of space.

Maybe other than just looking at the successful and fortunate side of the situation of those unemployed finding work that you claim to know so much about, you could think about getting out there and seeing the devastation there is to others not so fortunate as the examples you throw out.
You may even find, as most do who actually get out there and do that, that the less fortunate are in fact the vast majority and that the fortunate ones you keep mentioning are in fact the minority.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

youre LYING again the job centre DO pay for much of this training. youre 100% wrong and you are the ignorant one. having you considered working?

They paid for my partners SIA training and badge, but only after he got a letter from a company saying they would employ him once he had it. Unfortunately this company then stuck him on a 0 hour contract which is not much good when trying to run a house..0 hour contracts are brilliant for those still living with mummy and daddy, or people working just for a top up to their partners wage, but not to people in the real world. Unfortunately most security jobs require experience along with a sia license...so hes still there getting ridiculously erratic hours at the original company, whilst we have to claim top up benefits some weeks and not others...which in itself is a nightmare given that the dwp take forever to sort payments out. Its mental. Luckily we have a council house at the moment so having to wait a month for a working tax credit/housing benefit payment doesn't matter so much as its quite hard for councils to kick you out for small arrears and they do tend to understand that the dwp take ages to do things. Unfortunately (but fortunately at the same time..depending on how you look at it) we are going to have to move to private accommodation as he needs to be closer for work as they claim they are offering more hours soon. Fulltime infact..and the wage is good. If they keep up their promise, alls good as we wont need any top up benefits. But if they dont..and we are having to get benefits some weeks due to no work at all or 4 hours per week...its going to be a MASSIVE problem with a private landlord. I'm actually quite scared about it all

Went off on one a bit there but yeah the jobcentre do pay for stuff like that, but its rare to find a company to agree to take you on before you are qualified really.

Also, its really not as easy as you think to get a job. Unless you are willing to do commission only work...which is a nightmare tbh, I did that when I left school Was ok for me at the time as I was still at home, but it would be no good now. Honestly your wage varies from 0 to a few hundred, to thousands a month. Its utterly bonkers and would be impossible to budget with...plus most of the jobs are scamming other people. Whilst its good that the jobs are there, its really for the benefit of most (especially older people who we were advised to push harder to sell timeshares to) that they disappear.

[Kizzy]

'Duncan Smith announces pilot scheme that could reduce number of benefit claimants being sanctioned

Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, has just told MPs that the government will start piloting a system to give people who face being sanctioned (losing benefits temporarily, because they have failed to comply with a condition) 14 days in which to provide information that will excuse their conduct and stop them having to lose money.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live