[joeysteele]

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.

I agree

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think to be fair, this is the truly worst Conservative govt aided fully by the Lib Dems in the years between 2010 and 2015,as to really shocking and in my view unjust policies directed constantly at the mos vulnerable.

I do think,to be fair to them,Conservative govts from 1951 onwards did largely accept the welfare system,worked with it and and at times enhanced it.
Even Margaret Thatchers extreme looking govts still never treated the sick and disabled like this PM and his govt have done.

David Cameron once indicated the old nasty Tory party was gone, well clearly not so and what there is now is a nastier and also greatly more heartless bunch running the current one.
I still say too, it was IDS discriminatory and cruel plans that were adopted by the current leadership from 2010 onwards.

There are many decent MPs in the Conservative party, just when they are going to wake up and take over the party is another matter.

It does have to be added too however, that Tony Blair and his Labour govts failed the most vulnerable too,and when in far better times too.
He and his govts should have ensured that the most vulnerable had protection as to their incomes and other entitlements that were made really secure and near untouchable.

Yeah, they've achieved what a few years so was unthinkable; the history books will look back on Thatcher as merely a precursor to something worse.