[Shaun]

not really grasping the point of the poll there are you

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Shaun

not really grasping the point of the poll there are you

Au contraire, I grasp the point perfectly.

English football fans always scapegoat their best player, not that there's anything to scapegoat for at the moment, after a perfect qualification for the latest tournament, but they won't let that stop them.

If negatives are all people go looking for, then that's all they'll find.


For us to leave Rooney out is the equivalent of Portugal leaving out Ronaldo, Argentina leaving out Messi, Germany leaving out Nauer (Their countries best player).

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Alf

Au contraire, I grasp the point perfectly.

English football fans always scapegoat their best player, not that there's anything to scapegoat for at the moment, after a perfect qualification for the latest tournament, but they won't let that stop them.

If negatives are all people go looking for, then that's all they'll find.


For us to leave Rooney out is the equivalent of Portugal leaving out Ronaldo, Argentina leaving out Messi, Germany leaving out Nauer (Their countries best player).

Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Rooney USED to be good, he's past it now. Ronaldo still scores goals.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Rooney USED to be good, he's past it now. Ronaldo still scores goals.

That's your opinion, but you also come out with statements like Eddie Howe should be the England manager. So I can't take your statements seriously.


And I also have facts on my side, like, in qualifying for the up-coming European Championships, which one player in the whole group in which England were in, finished as the groups top goal-scorer?

And when you answer, this.

In your opinion it's a miracle, because the player is no longer good enough, so how could that have possibly happened?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Alf

That's your opinion, but you also come out with statements like Eddie Howe should be the England manager. So I can't take your statements seriously.


And I also have facts on my side, like, in qualifying for the up-coming European Championships, which one player in the whole group in which England were in, finished as the groups top goal-scorer?

And when you answer, this.

In your opinion it's a miracle, because the player is no longer good enough, so how could that have possibly happened?

That's because the EURO qualifying games essentially became the " let's help Wayne Rooney break Sir Bobby's goal scoring record" show. Players literally playing ball to him just so he could inch closer to topping the scoring charts [loved the fact 'Own Goals' beat him for a while ].

When a player win a penalty, Wayne took it. Pathetic. Love the fact that his place is now under threat. If Hodgson was a good manager he'd axe Wayne, but he's crap and will pack Wayne's suitcase for France (Argentina dropped Aguero to bench as he's not performing. Kun Aguero.) Face it, Wayne Rooney's golden days should be over.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

That's because the EURO qualifying games essentially became the " let's help Wayne Rooney break Sir Bobby's goal scoring record" show. Players literally playing ball to him just so he could inch closer to topping the scoring charts [loved the fact 'Own Goals' beat him for a while ].

When a player win a penalty, Wayne took it. Pathetic. Love the fact that his place is now under threat. If Hodgson was a good manager he'd axe Wayne, but he's crap and will pack Wayne's suitcase for France (Argentina dropped Aguero to bench as he's not performing. Kun Aguero.) Face it, Wayne Rooney's golden days should be over.

Let's be honest, you'd love him to be a failure at the Euro's, just so you can say "I told you so"

Whoever plays, just support them, and be happy for them.

Already, before the tournament has even started, you're against the manager, I've seen nothing he's done so far to warrant the negativity.

And your against the captain, he's been singled out because he's our best player.

I've heard it all before, it's just funny how it's always the manager and the best player that aren't good enough, coincidently the media's favourite targets.

We used to idolise our best players, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Gary Lineker ect, where did it all go wrong? I don't know, maybe Rooney will be idolised when he retires, you reckon?

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Alf

Let's be honest, you'd love him to be a failure at the Euro's, just so you can say "I told you so"

Whoever plays, just support them, and be happy for them.

Already, before the tournament has even started, you're against the manager, I've seen nothing he's done so far to warrant the negativity.

And your against the captain, he's been singled out because he's our best player.

I've heard it all before, it's just funny how it's always the manager and the best player that aren't good enough, coincidently the media's favourite targets.

We used to idolise our best players, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Gary Lineker ect, where did it all go wrong? I don't know, maybe Rooney will be idolised when he retires, you reckon?

But Rooney is not England's best player. He hasn't been since 2012. The thing is the best England player has changed every season so no one has consistenly mounted a threat to his supremacy...till now. Harry Kane and to a lesser extent Vardy pose a real worry for him. He said during the ITV Holland game as pundit that he relishes the 'exciting' challenge of fighting for his place in the team for the first time. He really should be fighting for his place in 23 man squad let alone first 11 team. The thing is he knows comfortably that if semi fit, Roy H will pick him..

If he is serious about fighting for his place, why doesn't Wayne renounce the England captaincy that he is clearly hiding behind as his 'get into the team regardless of performance ' card. Why doesnt he let his goal scoring do the work. He has scored about 9 /10 goals this season. Poor. Would Wanye get into the side if he was at West Brom or Soton? Players like Charlie Austin must be a bit pi$$ed off.

The thing is Wayne is not a fighter in adverse conditions or a hungry wolf scraper in the Isthmian South League 3 like a Vardy type. Wayne's had a remarkable glamorous career from when he burst into the scene as a 15 year old under Moyes at Everton, move to Man U, playing in brilliant squads with Scholes, Fernindand, Rio F and of course CR7 winning titles, CL, cups and going to EURO 2004 etc.