[DemolitionRed]

@Joey

TTIP is a long series of trade agreements that have been or are going to be voted on by MEPs and not the general public. If a political majority like an agreement that agreement turns into a reality regardless of what European citizens want. TTIP is many different things and so it doesn’t have to be voted on as a whole and a lot of agreements have already been passed. The only ones presently slowing things down are Germany and the nationalist French but this is merely a blip in the grand scheme of things.

The entire thing is not only undemocratic but its cloaked in secrecy and the only information us grubby little citizens are privy to is from either leaked documents or what our media are told to tell us. As far as Camerons concerned, its all running along splendidly and he’s leading the way.

This is a bilateral agreement between the EU and the US so if we pull out of the EU, we are no longer part of that agreement. America is well aware that the EU would likely reject Britain being part of that agreement but America needs our (or at least Cameron’s) dedicated support. America needs us in this deal and that’s the only reason Obama is willing to spend time on our shores lying to us all about why its so important we remain in the EU. He doesn’t care about us, he doesn’t care about Europe but he hugely cares about the TTIP.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

@Joey

TTIP is a long series of trade agreements that have been or are going to be voted on by MEPs and not the general public. If a political majority like an agreement that agreement turns into a reality regardless of what European citizens want. TTIP is many different things and so it doesn’t have to be voted on as a whole and a lot of agreements have already been passed. The only ones presently slowing things down are Germany and the nationalist French but this is merely a blip in the grand scheme of things.

The entire thing is not only undemocratic but its cloaked in secrecy and the only information us grubby little citizens are privy to is from either leaked documents or what our media are told to tell us. As far as Camerons concerned, its all running along splendidly and he’s leading the way.

This is a bilateral agreement between the EU and the US so if we pull out of the EU, we are no longer part of that agreement. America is well aware that the EU would likely reject Britain being part of that agreement but America needs our (or at least Cameron’s) dedicated support. America needs us in this deal and that’s the only reason Obama is willing to spend time on our shores lying to us all about why its so important we remain in the EU. He doesn’t care about us, he doesn’t care about Europe but he hugely cares about the TTIP.

staying in the eu will be the end of democracy in europe and the beginning of ttip and the new world order corporate takeover

THIS IS THE BIGGEST REFERENDUM IN THE HISTORY OF EUROPE, MAYBE THE WORLD

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

@Joey

TTIP is a long series of trade agreements that have been or are going to be voted on by MEPs and not the general public. If a political majority like an agreement that agreement turns into a reality regardless of what European citizens want. TTIP is many different things and so it doesn’t have to be voted on as a whole and a lot of agreements have already been passed. The only ones presently slowing things down are Germany and the nationalist French but this is merely a blip in the grand scheme of things.

The entire thing is not only undemocratic but its cloaked in secrecy and the only information us grubby little citizens are privy to is from either leaked documents or what our media are told to tell us. As far as Camerons concerned, its all running along splendidly and he’s leading the way.

This is a bilateral agreement between the EU and the US so if we pull out of the EU, we are no longer part of that agreement. America is well aware that the EU would likely reject Britain being part of that agreement but America needs our (or at least Cameron’s) dedicated support. America needs us in this deal and that’s the only reason Obama is willing to spend time on our shores lying to us all about why its so important we remain in the EU. He doesn’t care about us, he doesn’t care about Europe but he hugely cares about the TTIP.

I think we have to realise you and I are not going to agree on this.

It is still being negotiated and worked out, estimated to not reach
conclusion until likely 2019/2020 anyway.
There are loads of possible changes that may come into play for any final deal to be presented in that time.

What is the President lying about?
He has said it is a decisions for the voters but the USA would prefer us to stay in, that is the thrust of all he will be saying.
The Chinese and Indian leadership have said the same thing.

I think you will find that the TTIP deal has to be ratified by all the Nations of the EU.
Some will be able to put it to referendum too, we would more than certain be one that would do so and have to do so from the law put in place as to future changes in the EU set out by the coalition govt. between 2010 and 2015

I really don't see the problem myself and if there are any unsavoury elements to it, then it needing to be ratified by all the EU nations will be a pretty hard thing to achieve in my book.

Also,as was pointed out on Question time tonight, no one batted an eyelid when Obama said Scotland should remain part of the UK during the independence referendum.
He is just expressing a view and you,I and all others can ignore him or listen to him, agree with him or disagree with him but I think as a strong ally and friend of the UK, he has a right to express his view, especially as loads of other Nations have already too.
All advocating we remain in the EU too.

You may have decided out is best, that's fine, your choice and your right.
I remain an in person and still believe being at the top table of the EU is far better than being out with no knowledge of where things may go after coming out, and also having no control at all as to what conditions the EU can impose on us initially and then even change in the future too.

I would far rather be there in the thick of it,helping make decisions and also challenge decisions coming towards the UK too.
We can do that if in, we can do none of it out.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

@Joey

TTIP is a long series of trade agreements that have been or are going to be voted on by MEPs and not the general public. If a political majority like an agreement that agreement turns into a reality regardless of what European citizens want. TTIP is many different things and so it doesn’t have to be voted on as a whole and a lot of agreements have already been passed. The only ones presently slowing things down are Germany and the nationalist French but this is merely a blip in the grand scheme of things.

The entire thing is not only undemocratic but its cloaked in secrecy and the only information us grubby little citizens are privy to is from either leaked documents or what our media are told to tell us. As far as Camerons concerned, its all running along splendidly and he’s leading the way.

This is a bilateral agreement between the EU and the US so if we pull out of the EU, we are no longer part of that agreement. America is well aware that the EU would likely reject Britain being part of that agreement but America needs our (or at least Cameron’s) dedicated support. America needs us in this deal and that’s the only reason Obama is willing to spend time on our shores lying to us all about why its so important we remain in the EU. He doesn’t care about us, he doesn’t care about Europe but he hugely cares about the TTIP.