[Raph]

Originally Posted by Braden

tbh now is the right time to evict a pawn if they want to get further.

It's like in Survivor when Cirie wanted to get rid of Courtney because she was the ultimate goat. It's a place in the final that is going to be filled by someone that's not themselves, so getting rid of the pawn strengthens your chance of making it to the final 2. Especially when you have no idea where their head is at, and if they randomly get power you could be evicted

Good point Braden! Not to mention the fact that Nikki has numerously said that if she wins HOH she wants Cassandra gone, so really it's in her best interest to get Nikki out so people 'think' that Cassandra is the best person to take to final 2... little do they know...

[Raph]

I love Nikki and she's been the star of the season for me but my love for the game goes beyond that and I always want to see the best player win, basically regardless of who they are as a person. Wanting Andy to win BB15USA is a good example of that. Despised him as a person but I definitely thought he had played the best game of the season. Which is why a win like Jordan BB11 frustrates me so much because both Natalie and Kevin were better players than her and had a far better understanding and love for the game.

[Calderyon]

If she targets Nikki of all people, she can say goodbye to a win.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Braden

tbh now is the right time to evict a pawn if they want to get further.

It's like in Survivor when Cirie wanted to get rid of Courtney because she was the ultimate goat. It's a place in the final that is going to be filled by someone that's not themselves, so getting rid of the pawn strengthens your chance of making it to the final 2. Especially when you have no idea where their head is at, and if they randomly get power you could be evicted

Cassandra and nikki are the only ones left that can't win a comp.. Cassandra had to have her dad win it for her. Nikki is more useful to her because she could beat her in the comp then the others. Jared and Kelsey are sailing through this and they are in a showmance.. If she looks at the bbcan history showmances have been in every final 3 in bbcan and if you count swillow as a showmance 3 showmances have won.

[Raph]

I don't think she's targetting Nikki per say, just using her as a pawn as she has ties with everyone else. Even if Jared/Kelsey vote to evict Nikki, Joel/Tim will evict the brothers as they both benefit more from Nikki staying. Cass gets the tie vote and sends the brothers home, regaining trust with Nikki, whilst not making any enemies during her HOH reign - something that all the past HOH's have failed to do!

[Raph]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Cassandra and nikki are the only ones left that can't win a comp.. Cassandra had to have her dad win it for her. Nikki is more useful to her because she could beat her in the comp then the others. Jared and Kelsey are sailing through this and they are in a showmance.. If she looks at the bbcan history showmances have been in every final 3 in bbcan and if you count swillow as a showmance 3 showmances have won.

I think it's more of a case of she's relying on Tim/Joel to cut Jared/Kelsey because ultimately she has the bestest chance against Kelsey in a final 2 scenario. By not coming after Jared/Kelsey who are both emotional players, Cassandra avoids the wrath of the remaining one and then has the perfect pitch to convince that person to take her to final 2, where she can beat them.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

tbh now is the right time to evict a pawn if they want to get further.

It's like in Survivor when Cirie wanted to get rid of Courtney because she was the ultimate goat. It's a place in the final that is going to be filled by someone that's not themselves, so getting rid of the pawn strengthens your chance of making it to the final 2. Especially when you have no idea where their head is at, and if they randomly get power you could be evicted

Oh there are definitely justifiable reasons to take out goats, but before huge threats that are also part of a showmance? Definitely not

Leaving Jared in this week is taking a huge risk, they should all be preparing themselves for the likelihood of a double/triple (which we know is happening) and having someone of his calibre playing for HoH in a rushed, tense situation like that is playing with fire because if he wins that is him and Kelsey with a guaranteed F5 spot, and suddenly the numbers look ominous

Someone like Nikki is unlikely to ever win a comp so taking her out at F5/F4 after you've dealt with bigger targets makes more sense

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh there are definitely justifiable reasons to take out goats, but before huge threats that are also part of a showmance? Definitely not

Leaving Jared in this week is taking a huge risk, they should all be preparing themselves for the likelihood of a double/triple (which we know is happening) and having someone of his calibre playing for HoH in a rushed, tense situation like that is playing with fire because if he wins that is him and Kelsey with a guaranteed F5 spot, and suddenly the numbers look ominous

Someone like Nikki is unlikely to ever win a comp so taking her out at F5/F4 after you've dealt with bigger targets makes more sense

I really don't think she is planning on taking Nikki out though, that's more of a worst case scenario if Jared wins veto AND takes the bros off. This makes sense because it's in Cassandra's best interest to go to final 2 with Kelsey. Nikki is just a perfect pawn in this situation because of the current house split and the lack of threat Nikki poses, making it an easy case to campaign for her to stay. And we all know how good Cassandra is at campaigning!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Raph

I don't think she's targetting Nikki per say, just using her as a pawn as she has ties with everyone else. Even if Jared/Kelsey vote to evict Nikki, Joel/Tim will evict the brothers as they both benefit more from Nikki staying. Cass gets the tie vote and sends the brothers home, regaining trust with Nikki, whilst not making any enemies during her HOH reign - something that all the past HOH's have failed to do!

But even if it's likely that Joel and Tim will vote with her, a tied vote is a huge risk to be taking this far into the game when it only takes one person to flip and it's all over

Talks of pawns and backdoors at F7 are just stupid, leave Nikki off the block and you've got three votes secured and the other side just has one.

Personally I think if she wants the brothers gone she should put Jared and Kelsey up with the argument that the brothers are unlikely to win the Veto so they can just take one of them down and put them up. If you leave Jared and/or Kelsey off the block you run the risk of one of them winning the Veto, taking the brothers down or the other one down and forcing yourself to put up someone on your own side, reducing the numbers to 2-2 again or even 3-1 for Jelsey/brothers

[Raph]

Also lemme just say I love the good discourse we're able to have in this thread for a change without the sassy posts we get all the time from a few! It's a lovely change and is what makes me like coming on this forum!

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Raph

I think it's more of a case of she's relying on Tim/Joel to cut Jared/Kelsey because ultimately she has the bestest chance against Kelsey in a final 2 scenario. By not coming after Jared/Kelsey who are both emotional players, Cassandra avoids the wrath of the remaining one and then has the perfect pitch to convince that person to take her to final 2, where she can beat them.

I think Kelsey is her only chance and maybe Nikki because the idiots don't want a non-canadian to win(even Cassandra wants a Canadian to win) but it's week 9 and there are loads of people who are a threat at winning the game and there is someone who the jury wants to see get evicted which is Jared, if she makes the move herself wouldn't that be a vote potential off Canada/Mitch/Maddy/maybe rail etc? but if Joel/Tim take them out it helps them.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But even if it's likely that Joel and Tim will vote with her, a tied vote is a huge risk to be taking this far into the game when it only takes one person to flip and it's all over

Talks of pawns and backdoors at F7 are just stupid, leave Nikki off the block and you've got three votes secured and the other side just has one.

Personally I think if she wants the brothers gone she should put Jared and Kelsey up with the argument that the brothers are unlikely to win the Veto so they can just take one of them down and put them up. If you leave Jared and/or Kelsey off the block you run the risk of one of them winning the Veto, taking the brothers down or the other one down and forcing yourself to put up someone on your own side, reducing the numbers to 2-2 again or even 3-1 for Jelsey/brothers

See to me, that wouldn't be a smart move given how emotional of a player Kelsey is. It's in Cassandra's best interest to never put Kelsey up if she wants to go final 2 with her as an easy person to beat. Also, yes a vote switch could happen but do you really think Tim/Joel would turn on Cass/Nikki just to side with Jared/Kelsey who are already the biggest threats in the house? That would just mean switching to a side whereby they become the lowest on the totem pole which is a position you definitely don't want to have to be in, come final 5/6. I mean time will tell, and I know we all love Nikki so it sucks to see her on the block, but I really think Cassandra has this covered and will come out on top after this week is through.

But time will tell, and if i'm wrong you by all means can tell me "I told you so".

[LukeB]

I would put Kelsey up as a backdoor and just put up Jared/The Bros. Destroying the showmance will not only help her campaign it would also please the jury. It's too risky to keep Jared now because he could win the next HOH and send her out. Everyone in the house knows her loyalty to Tim and her game especially after Maddy's meeting. Not only is using Nikki as a pawn bad at this stage it's also not a good move because you have to think on who can win a comp (Last week and this week was Nikki's only chance)

Showmances are terrible but it's one of the most powerful positions to be it, Jillian and Emmett dominated they way through and there was a time where they won back to back HOHs. Jon and Neda also sailed through to the final 3 because they carried each other. Zach and Ashleigh are the only ones who didn't make final 3 together because Ashleigh won her way to the finale by winning POV after POV after Pov. Godfrey took her out because he didn't want another showmance winning

Also you have to think of the comps during the finale..

Part 1 - Endurance
Part 2 - A Comp about what happened throughout the season (against Nikki is perfect because Nikki hasn't studied what happened each day)
Part 3 - Questions about jury.


Jared is a threat to her game more than anything

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Raph

I love Nikki and she's been the star of the season for me but my love for the game goes beyond that and I always want to see the best player win, basically regardless of who they are as a person. Wanting Andy to win BB15USA is a good example of that. Despised him as a person but I definitely thought he had played the best game of the season. Which is why a win like Jordan BB11 frustrates me so much because both Natalie and Kevin were better players than her and had a far better understanding and love for the game.

But the best player is the won who wins. There aren't any rules or standards or guidelines, the goal is to make it to the end and get a jury of your peers to vote for you to win. If you can't accomplish that then you can't possibly be the best player.

[Calderyon]

In my opinion Joel is still in the best position to win the game.

He is in good terms with Jared and Kelsey (even though he nominated them), he is in an alliance with Tim & Cassandra and has a good relationship with Nikki. Phil & Nick are not his enemies as of now.

He is not a prime target to anyone at the moment, and i could see him in final 3/4 without doing much at this point.

[LukeB]

Yes I think Joel is playing this game great and I can actually see him winning.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

But the best player is the won who wins. There aren't any rules or standards or guidelines, the goal is to make it to the end and get a jury of your peers to vote for you to win. If you can't accomplish that then you can't possibly be the best player.

I'm glad you think Dan was the best player of BB10 then And it's *one

[Macie Lightfoot]

weren't you just saying how nice it was to have a civil discussion? Relax.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

weren't you just saying how nice it was to have a civil discussion? Relax.

Fair fair, it's out of habit sorry but you're right it's been nice lately

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Raph

I really don't think she is planning on taking Nikki out though, that's more of a worst case scenario if Jared wins veto AND takes the bros off. This makes sense because it's in Cassandra's best interest to go to final 2 with Kelsey. Nikki is just a perfect pawn in this situation because of the current house split and the lack of threat Nikki poses, making it an easy case to campaign for her to stay. And we all know how good Cassandra is at campaigning!

Oh I know Nikki's not her target but I still think it's silly this late in the game to lose yourself a vote by putting someone that's (kind of) working with you on the block, numbers mean everything at this point. Plus she really shouldn't be allowing for the possibility of Jared taking the brothers down if that's who she's trying to target considering Jared stands a huge chance at winning the Veto.

Originally Posted by Raph

See to me, that wouldn't be a smart move given how emotional of a player Kelsey is. It's in Cassandra's best interest to never put Kelsey up if she wants to go final 2 with her as an easy person to beat. Also, yes a vote switch could happen but do you really think Tim/Joel would turn on Cass/Nikki just to side with Jared/Kelsey who are already the biggest threats in the house? That would just mean switching to a side whereby they become the lowest on the totem pole which is a position you definitely don't want to have to be in, come final 5/6. I mean time will tell, and I know we all love Nikki so it sucks to see her on the block, but I really think Cassandra has this covered and will come out on top after this week is through.

But time will tell, and if i'm wrong you by all means can tell me "I told you so".

It may be extremely unlikely that Tim and Joel flip and I don't think it's in their best interests either but in Cass' position she shouldn't be taking any unnecessary risks like that with so few people left, having 3 secure votes is a lot better than the uncertainty of a tie.

I don't think she should be targeting the brothers at all personally (though I don't care if they leave cause it'll be hilarious comeuppance), it should be Jared. I agree that a F2 with Kelsey is probably in her best interests and that'll only be more achievable if she gets Jared out so she's alone, plus she gets that move on her resume too.

The point I'm making is that Jared stands a huge chance of winning the Veto so either way he should go on the block so he can't save Kelsey/the brothers should he win and **** everything up. If you put Jared and the brothers up then regardless one of them is going home because you stick Kelsey up as a replacement and there's 3 votes to their 1.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

But the best player is the won who wins. There aren't any rules or standards or guidelines, the goal is to make it to the end and get a jury of your peers to vote for you to win. If you can't accomplish that then you can't possibly be the best player.

I don't necessarily disagree tbh but does this mean you agree that Dan, Dick and Boogie were the best players of BB10, BB8 and BB7? Cause I'm sure you've said otherwise before

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Cassandra should actually target tim where she could get the jury votes..

But one if her targets is Nikki

Getting rid of tim - could help her win
Splitting up Jared and Kelsey - could help her win.. Why are people keeping them around near the final week :s why aren't they playing their own game

I don't understand this either. I even less understood why Raul helped Jared win the POV instead of fighting like mad to win it for himself. He must have known that he would replace Jared.

[Calderyon]

Plus i bet the producers would love to have their own Ian/Steve as the winner of BBCAN. And Joel is perfect for that. A Canadian Ian/Steve.

[Raph]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

Plus i bet the producers would love to have their own Ian/Steve as the winner of BBCAN.

I was thinking this same thing! Canada's very own nerdy superfan

[Cal.]

Canada to vote for who gets POV if Nikki is up?

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Raph

She's not a great person but she's a great player and imo the best of the series.

I can't even consider her a great player. True she is good at manipulation, but useless at comps and a great player should be good at both, surely?