[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Alf

Without a freak season from Leicester, Wenger would be lifting another Premier League title above his head. Yet you want somebody else to do his job, because whoever they are, they'll apparently be better.

It's not a freak win by Leicester. They actually deserved the title. Didn't bottle it, rode their luck but only lost 3 times (albeit 2x against AFC). JUST because Leicester don't splash out on big names or have players with "sexy" names it doesn't mean they aren't worthy winners. The premier league is not the Arsenal/ Man U/ Man City/ Chelsea premier league. It's not inevitable that a big club should win title. History means nothing, having loads of fans means nothing, winning things in past means nothing, spending loadsamoney means nowt. It's about what you do now. Newcastle have more fans than Leicester. Man U have more fans than Spurs. There is no reason why Burnley or Bournemouth can't win title .

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Maybe, but who knows? Guardiola's style might not suit the Premier league, he's un-proven in this league. Same goes for who ever is taking over at Chelsea.

But we do know that Wenger is the second greatest ever manager in this league, and his team will be up there challenging, again.

Ok I see what you're saying but I see it differently. Pep may be untried in the EPL but he gives an intensity to all his teams that mean his teams put the effort in for him, Conte has done wonders at Juventus and maybe Mourinho will be at Old Trafford. Wenger has a poor record against two of those managers. Add to that Klopp - another manager Wenger has a suspect record against - getting Klopp type players, maybe a maintaining of form by Spurs, an improvement at Man Utd and West Ham moving to the new stadium gives them added power in the transfer market. When I add all that up I dont see a place for Arsenal in the top four next season unless the manager changes his style and team. Its gonna be a massive season for the manager next year. We'll see how he does.

[alex_front2]

Guardiola won't do as well in EPL in his first season as he needs to 'gut out' an ageing team of 30+ players, replace with you players especially English.

[Denver]

The team to watch next season is Liverpool

[Alf]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

It's not a freak win by Leicester. They actually deserved the title. Didn't bottle it, rode their luck but only lost 3 times (albeit 2x against AFC). JUST because Leicester don't splash out on big names or have players with "sexy" names it doesn't mean they aren't worthy winners. The premier league is not the Arsenal/ Man U/ Man City/ Chelsea premier league. It's not inevitable that a big club should win title. History means nothing, having loads of fans means nothing, winning things in past means nothing, spending loadsamoney means number. It's about what you do now. Newcastle have more fans than Leicester. Man U have more fans than Spurs. There is no reason why Burnley or Bournemouth can't win title .

I'm n saying they didn't deserve it, they've shown all the quality's needed this season, but they wouldn't have even come into the thinking of anybody at the start of the season, when asked who'd win the title? They were the outsiders of 20, so the result and their form is very surprising, against the norm, not usual, freakish.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The team to watch next season is Liverpool

That's hardly a shock, big club, not exactly the "next Leicester" shocker, might as well say team to watch next season is Man City

I think next season the new Spurs will be West Ham, Bournemouth, Soton and maybe Stoke.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm n saying they didn't deserve it, they've shown all the quality's needed this season, but they wouldn't have even come into the thinking of anybody at the start of the season, when asked who'd win the title? They were the outsiders of 20, so the result and their form is very surprising, against the norm, not usual, freakish.

Actually I was tipping Soton to be a "shock" title contender, I just got the team wrong

For me there is no such thing as a big shock in EPL, even Leicester winning was always feasible as there are no stand out teams. The so called big teams Arsenal, Man U, City, Chelsea are not that great or dominant compared to PSG 1970, Barcelona, and Juve. The EPL is very competitive, and in these post Fergie times the so called dominant side Man U are bang average, just another side, albeit one with loadsamoney. Anyone can beat anyone (Bournemouth beat Chelsea and Man U back to back). This would never happen in La Liga where bottom of the table sides e.g. my team Rayo Vallecano (relegated sob sob sob) have no chance of beating the big boys let alone the title. Leicester beat Man U 5-3 last season, having been losing 2-0 then 3-1. The signs were there, noone paid attention.

[MTVN]

Klopp must be up there with 5 defeats in 6 cup finals

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Klopp must be up there with 5 defeats in 6 cup finals

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Klopp must be up there with 5 defeats in 6 cup finals