[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

Yes he did make a valid analogy. Its cool at the moment to support certain elements, like the labour party supporting middle eastern terrorists and this has clouded their judgement.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree with that, it's funny how some "groups" are allowed to be offended but others are told get over it.

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised .

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised .

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

It's easy to say that when I think you're probably part of a group who wasn't treated badly in the past or ever discriminated against though

[Kizzy]

Who thinks it's ok to say that, Have I missed something?
From what I've seen most think it abhorrent, so what's the problem, I could spin it around and say if it were 'drown the Muslims' less people would be arsed but that's pure speculation too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's easy to say that when I think you're probably part of a group who wasn't treated badly in the past or ever discriminated against though

Maybe, but I know people both male and female of various races and sexual orientations who feel the same . I don't think it's a common mindset across the board, really. People love "getting offended about stuff" . Middle class white people are some of the worst for it tbh.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe, but I know people both male and female of various races and sexual orientations who feel the same . I don't think it's a common mindset across the board, really. People love "getting offended about stuff" . Middle class white people are some of the worst for it tbh.

Hearsay!

I'm not talking about "middle class white people" being offended by stuff that isn't anything about or to do with them. I'm not personally offended by this because I'm not Jewish but i can appreciate why a Jewish person would be

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are they? I personally find "people taking offense" pretty redundant across the board... but then... I also fully appreciate people's right to be offended, whilst not caring whether or not people "get over it". ... I just hope to god we don't start going down a route where "causing offense" and "annoying people" become criminalised .

Deliberately inciting true hatred / discrimination or encouraging violence should always be considered criminal. Anything else? No. It's a social issue.

Yeah this is my view exactly.If i offend a massive bloke who's built like a brick ****house then i expect the consequences of him possibly breaking my jaw.However it is my right to offend him with speech if i choose to.

This lad who did this crappy video should expect to get crucified in the comments section of his vid and by anyone he sees in real life who sees it and takes offence/thinks its **** or whatever.....But not arrested.
Just as a comedian making racist jokes to a crowd of black people should expect to get at the very minimum heckled off stage and maybe bottled.He reaped what he had sowed.

[Livia]

Why is this man being compared to "comedians"?

And regarding people being offended... I'm so sorry if people decide this isn't worth getting offended about but with respect, none of you are in a position to say whether a Jewish person should or should not be offended. You don't get to decide.

[Kizzy]

Who has said it isn't worth getting offended about?..

[Livia]

Read the thread, Kizzy. Niamh replied in much the same vein as my own post, so I know I'm not seeing things.

[joeysteele]

I would say the bulk of all on this thread are against the content of the video and I found it offensive because of my intense dislike, using the word dislike rather than another, of Hitler,the nazis and all they stood for and did too.

I actually myself also have Jewish friends,good friends too, who I would look out for and defend when needed,I know they would be offended at that video.

No one needs to be only Jewish to be offended at that video at all, that is a ridiculous thing to say too.
The nazis were cruel to homosexuals and even gypsies almost as bad as they were to the Jewish people.
Their list of so called likely undesirables was probably endless.

Which is why those who at any time seemingly either praise or belittle what the Nazis did and stood for,or those who even set about calling other people nazis, should be treated with the same contempt in my view.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would say the bulk of all on this thread are against the content of the video and I found it offensive because of my intense dislike, using the word dislike rather than another, of Hitler,the nazis and all they stood for and did too.

I actually myself also have Jewish friends,good friends too, who I would look out for and defend when needed,I know they would be offended at that video.

No one needs to be only Jewish to be offended at that video at all, that is a ridiculous thing to say too.
The nazis were cruel to homosexuals and even gypsies almost as bad as they were to the Jewish people.
Their list of so called likely undesirables was probably endless.

Which is why those who at any time seemingly either praise or belittle what the Nazis did and stood for,or those who even set about calling other people nazis, should be treated with the same contempt in my view.

In regards to my comments on it, I was just talking personally, I'm not Jewish and am not personally offended by it but can absolutely see how it could be personally offensive to, in particular Jewish people

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In regards to my comments on it, I was just talking personally, I'm not Jewish and am not personally offended by it but can absolutely see how it could be personally offensive to, in particular Jewish people

I should have clarified I was not talking about anyone on here, very sadly for me, a good number and even more sadly some of my friends even off here, hold the view that only Jewish communities can and should be the only ones offended by nazi terminology or those making sick humour out of Hitler or the Nazis.
They even brand out the term nazi to some others like confetti calling it humour.

That annoys me as all I have heard and read of Hitler and the Nazis leaves me with possibly,(until IS came into being), the only thing and person I would say I really hated personally.
Namely Hitler and the Nazis.

Personally for me, just my view, I cannot see how anyone cannot be affected by all Hitler and the Nazis stood for and did.
My Grandfather who fought in the 2nd world war,was heavily affected by the sight and horrors he came across in the German camps once the Allies got to them.
He described really brave and strong Soldiers with him being physically sick and affected by, and haunted by, for the rest of their lives,the unfolding endless horrors they saw for the rest of their lives at what they came across as to Nazi crimes and atrocities.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im guessing that if he was a jew and members of his family had been murdered in the most horrific manner he would not think this was such a massive hoot

actually plenty of jews tell holocaust jokes.. newsflash, actually jews have a pretty good sense of humor!

don't judge them all based on billy crystal.

[Alf]

He has been convicted, will be sentenced in April.

Where will it end? are stand-up comedians next? or are you next?


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/youtube-co...145920581.html

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by billy123

That is possibly one of your worst attempts at trolling ever. 1/10 (the 1 was just for effort and attempted derailment of thread)

Blimey I got told here

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I thought he kept asking the dog if it wanted a glass of juice.
He may thnk he isn't racist by the way...but I found him to be an offensive dickhead.

^ This.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

it's a case of overzealous policing that won't make it to prosecution because it isn't really hate speech.

Hate speech convictions should be reserved for people who endorse and preach violence againsts groups of people. It shouldn't be used to punish views we find difficult to stomach because society will do that anyway. He'll lose his job, will probably find it difficult to find specialised work for years to come and it's going to have an effect on his relationships with other people, Society will punish him enough.

This man's ruined his life and he deserves it but it's not a police matter.

Apparently not.

[Rob!]

This does sound like Scott.

[Beso]

The view count got the feckless idiot charged..

Silly sod was only trying to annoy his gf, and not an entire religion/race.

[Withano]

Of course Tommy Robinson went to his trial

[TomC]

i think imprisonment is ridiculous

[Alf]

Originally Posted by TomC

i think imprisonment is ridiculous

Might not be prison. Could be a fine or community service. The sentence is next month.

But the point is, he's been found guilty of a hate crime for a joke.

A dark day for freedom of speech in Britain.

[Beso]

When I was a lad it was illegal to put your willy up men's bottoms but you could say anything you liked. Now it's the other way round.



Had to laugh at one comment on it.

[Oliver_W]

It's a bit pathetic how teaching a dog to raise a paw can be life ruining, let along arrestable.