[Northern Monkey]

I'm not sure it matters what their sexuality was tbh.They were people in a nightclub and were attacked by a terrorist.People of every sexuality have been killed by these bastards.Not sure what the big deal is with the semantics of these poor people's sexuality.It can happen to any of us who are in a public place.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I'm not sure it matters what their sexuality was tbh.They were people in a nightclub and were attacked by a terrorist.People of every sexuality have been killed by these bastards.Not sure what the big deal is with the semantics of these poor people's sexuality.It can happen to any of us who are in a public place.

Because they were predominantly LBGT people in a gay nightclub and it proves that it some facets of our society they are still not accepted. It's pretty straightforward really

And acknowledging that this was a hate crime does not diminish all of the other attacks that have taken place

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Because they were predominantly LBGT people in a gay nightclub and it proves that it some facets of our society they are still not accepted. It's pretty straightforward really

Exactly, the attack (whether motivated by ISIS allegiance or personal homophobia) was targetted specifically at a group of people as a statement; that their lifestyle is sinful / wrong / should not be accepted. Now, religious extremists tend to believe this about all sorts of aspects of life in the west, but it can't be ignored that homosexuality - and our acceptance of it - is one of the biggest of the things that conflict with their ideologies.

So it is VITAL that we don't ignore that aspect of this attack. Not because "only gay people can own the hurt caused" as those screeching bullies (they tagteamed and talked over him; NOT good journalism ffs) on Sky News would have us believe is the intent... but because it is important to show solidarity... to stand up and say "We know what you want, we know what you are trying to do, but you will fail, and the people and lifestyles that you hate will ALWAYS be accepted and embraced in our countries, no matter what you do." It is EVEN MORE important that straight people do this.

VERY SADLY from reading and seeing various things since this tragedy, I am starting to realise that the truth is... for a large number of people that simply is still not the case at all.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, the attack (whether motivated by ISIS allegiance or personal homophobia) was targetted specifically at a group of people as a statement; that their lifestyle is sinful / wrong / should not be accepted. Now, religious extremists tend to believe this about all sorts of aspects of life in the west, but it can't be ignored that homosexuality - and our acceptance of it - is one of the biggest of the things that conflict with their ideologies.

So it is VITAL that we don't ignore that aspect of this attack. Not because "only gay people can own the hurt caused" as those screeching bullies (they tagteamed and talked over him; NOT good journalism ffs) on Sky News would have us believe is the intent... but because it is important to show solidarity... to stand up and say "We know what you want, we know what you are trying to do, but you will fail, and the people and lifestyles that you hate will ALWAYS be accepted and embraced in our countries, no matter what you do." It is EVEN MORE important that straight people do this.

VERY SADLY from reading and seeing various things since this tragedy, I am starting to realise that the truth is... for a large number of people that simply is still not the case at all.

So why were he and his wife scoping other targets including disney world?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

So why were he and his wife scoping other targets including disney world?

The fact that they considered other targets has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the target they did choose was, at least in a significant part, chosen because it was a gay club.

You've aptly demonstrated over several pages that you don't understand that nor the implications so I feel it would be a waste of time to elaborate any further.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fact that they considered other targets has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the target they did choose was, at least in a significant part, chosen because it was a gay club.

You've aptly demonstrated over several pages that you don't understand that nor the implications so I feel it would be a waste of time to elaborate any further.

How do you know it was chosen because it was a gay club?

The shooter hasn't said that and the wife is only now speaking to the FBI. Aren't you going to wait until the investigation is done before deciding on why a particular target was picked?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

How do you know it was chosen because it was a gay club?

The shooter hasn't said that and the wife is only now speaking to the FBI. Aren't you going to wait until the investigation is done before deciding on why a particular target was picked?

Because the fact that a religious extremist attacking a gay club is linked to the fact that it is a gay club is plainly ****ing obvious to anyone with half a brain and half an understanding of extremist ideologies and religious prejudices. Religious extremists are known to be homophobic because their little books tell them to be. One such extremist murdered dozens of gay people, in a gay club. It is relevant.

And no I don't need to wait for the important men in their important suits with their important jobs to tell me what I think. I'm capable of getting there without help, amazingly.