[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I accept the voting results but the gloating and taking the piss is quite pathetic,people need to grow up.

This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

Is this a first TS ? I also was thinking of my children when I voted,their future is what matters to me, some people seem to be so flippant ,when really the way we handle this is important for the future of Great Britain,good luck to you and your daughter btw.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Is this a first TS ?

I think so. not Tibb politics changing too!

I also was thinking of my children when I voted,their future is what matters to me, some people seem to be so flippant ,when really the way we handle this is important for the future of Great Britain,good luck to you and your daughter btw.

Well, my wife is back at University now and when she qualifies, emigration should hopefully be a realistic option as a worst case scenario! We'll just bail

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

"try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay,"








I thought by day 2 the bitterness would have subsided somewhat?


Dont forget Jack you are still a EU citizen and will be for the next 2 years

there - do you feel better?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay,"








I thought by day 2 the bitterness would have subsided somewhat?


Dont forget Jack you are still a EU citizen and will be for the next 2 years

there - do you feel better?

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

All the parties in parliament should be part of the negotiations of any deal in my view.
In the end,it is in fact parliament who will have to approve any deal agreed with the EU,so for me,this should be a parliamentary across the board deal sought.

It should not be left just to the present govt and the new incoming PM, nor to just those on the leave side or indeed the remain side either.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

It does for sure Jack_.