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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its up to individuals to get off their arses and research not rely on busses and what is written in them

If you would rathert watch GOT or play lotto than Google 'what is the EU'


Then FU

Yes but they didn't, and that is what in part makes it a total farce,and really the basis of my point. The few dupe the masses into furthering their agenda and then when the public suddenly realised that they're not getting what they voted for, they are "too late". The masses opinion then changes but the few have already taken their snapshot and use it to their advantage - in full knowledge that their action now no longer represents the will of the majority.

I just keep hearing a lot of "OMG can't you just accept majority opinion". But what if it simply isn't? What if it WAS a majority opinion based on people believing "facts and figures" that have already proven to be fantasy? None of it is real, it's the illusion of input. Smoke and mirrors of the powerful designed to win a "game" and get that snapshot opinion poll at just the right second to further machinations that have nothing at all to do with what people thought they were voting on. I don't understand why more leave voters aren't furious about the process, about being so blatantly and unashamedly used, even if they still believe the outcome was for the best. I don't understand why we're all still playing along with the list process that makes all of us so, so small. If anything, we should all be United in disgust by the very process, the fact that no one - NO ONE - on either side of any of these votes will just give us the facts and the figures and let us truly decide.

Maybe we're all just so blinded by the disappointment / excitement of the result every time that we fail to stop and question the rest of it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes but they didn't, and that is what in part makes it a total farce,and really the basis of my point. The few dupe the masses into furthering their agenda and then when the public suddenly realised that they're not getting what they voted for, they are "too late". The masses opinion then changes but the few have already taken their snapshot and use it to their advantage - in full knowledge that their action now no longer represents the will of the majority.

I just keep hearing a lot of "OMG can't you just accept majority opinion". But what if it simply isn't? What if it WAS a majority opinion based on people believing "facts and figures" that have already proven to be fantasy? None of it is real, it's the illusion of input. Smoke and mirrors of the powerful designed to win a "game" and get that snapshot opinion poll at just the right second to further machinations that have nothing at all to do with what people thought they were voting on. I don't understand why more leave voters aren't furious about the process, about being so blatantly and unashamedly used, even if they still believe the outcome was for the best. I don't understand why we're all still playing along with the list process that makes all of us so, so small. If anything, we should all be United in disgust by the very process, the fact that no one - NO ONE - on either side of any of these votes will just give us the facts and the figures and let us truly decide.

Maybe we're all just so blinded by the disappointment / excitement of the result every time that we fail to stop and question the rest of it.

You speak the truth that politicians deceive the GBP with lies in order to secure their support on proposals, but when it comes to the 'EU Referendum' and any suggestion that alleged lies any 'Leave' politicians told 'Leave' voters, is reason enough to contest the legality of the Referendum, or justification for holding a further one, then, unfortunately, we are on very shaky ground, because:

1) I can personally PROVE that the 'Remain' campaigners lied on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE which formed the WHOLE case to remain.
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2) We would NOT even be in the EU in the first place, had Sir Edward Teeth, I mean Heath, not LIED TO us when he took us in to what was then The Common Market', after which, we were lied to again in Wilson's 1975 Referendum, when we voted to stay in.

So, in my opinion, there is nothing to be gained from anyone using any alleged 'Leave' Campaign lies in order to try to justify any ridiculous notion of any second Referendum.