[Headie]

"There's something I've not told you, I'm an only child" then started rambling on about girlfriends?

[Oaker]

He was just saying random things that he hoped might get him a sympathy vote

[Adamw92]

Apparently they all asked him for his life story though no one had said a word before that

[Amy Jade]

I think he was going to say he mentally abused Charlie

[LaLaLand]

Nothing other than trying to get sympathy, I don't think even he knew what he was going on about tbh. You could see him thinking as he was going on, reaching for something else to say that could make people feel sorry for him.

[ebandit]

my bad....i were wrong to point out the truth....that jason is a twat

bless him....he never had a younger sibling....to bully....

Mark L

[Jan S]

i found it pretty clear, tbh: he was explaining to his friends how he finds it easier to withdraw and think things over due to his solitary lifestyle than to open up and share things with others. he's less than ''sociable'' behaviour of withdrawing is simply because of circumstances.

[Pete.]

I didn't get his point at all

[GiRTh]

Sympathy. It was pathetic game playing from a man who should be enjoying himself.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

But he's in a house with OTHER people. Don't get me wrong Jason has a lot of issues that he needs to work through, but not at other people's expense. Why live in a house with lots of people if you have social anxiety AND you haven't got the tools yet to cope with it?

maybe because he went in trying to change, to challenge himself, but found he's not worked it out yet. opening up to them is a step forward.

and why do so many go in there and hate nominations, or screaming they cannot possibly live without cigarettes, or eat the food provied?

he's human, and humans don't always make the best choices. i know i don't!

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

There's making bad choices and going on Big Brother - that's quite a big decision which involves a lot of lengthy thinking through. Being around people is the entire point of the show, unlike smoking (where you can still smoke), food that you can still eat, but a housemate will never ever be alone.

It's silly, naive and potentially harmful to believe that you can cure extreme isolation and social anxiety by living in a house FULL of complete strangers for five weeks cold turkey. At his age these decisions are highly questionable.

You have made some good points there. I don't get the 'living on his own for many years' thing as an explanation though. Plenty of people do, but over the years they still have family, friends, girlfriends or boyfriends, work, etc. It's not as if he was in an isolation cell or something. Very odd.

[starry]

I don't why Jason's getting attacked on this. As said it seemed badly edited, though Evelyn seemed immature just jumping up and going back to the others saying he was talking about the evictions when we heard nothing of that.

[rusticgal]

He was trying to say that as an only child he dealt with things by himself...he was trying to explain that that is why he doesn't open up to people about his problems..he retracts and deals with things himself.
Many of them seem to question why he doesn't share his feelings and that was his answer...don't see what's wrong with that
It doesn't mean that every only child is like that but that's his explanation...we don't know anything about his upbringing....people on here are too quick to judge.

[mr rochester]

On and on and on and on - for days he's droned on and on...not a good look...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by starry

I don't why Jason's getting attacked on this. As said it seemed badly edited, though Evelyn seemed immature just jumping up and going back to the others saying he was talking about the evictions when we heard nothing of that.

He can't do right from wrong...they moan about him holding his cards to his chest..then when he does open up he gets sneered at and ridiculed.

[hot2go]

It was the grown ups talking....maybe best to go back to throwing Mayonaise around the garden eh

[kirklancaster]

The guy was trying to explain that he was 'socially akward' because he was an only child and had lived on his own for 29 years. Both factors have a great bearing on Jason's shyness and his inability to socially intertact wih others.

[fitz2k2]

Originally Posted by starry

I don't why Jason's getting attacked on this. As said it seemed badly edited, though Evelyn seemed immature just jumping up and going back to the others saying he was talking about the evictions when we heard nothing of that.

evelyn has always been immature as soon as bb plays back nominations to everyone

[Maru]

I'm wondering if this may have been just been a crappy edit on BB's part. Jason does seem like he is poor at explaining himself though and takes things way too seriously sometimes.

Being an only child could mean he had to be more independent and had to handle conflict and obstacles privately since he didn't have a sibling to confide in which would also make him more self-reliant. It could give him a sense of false infallibility around others since I notice people with siblings tend to vent their grievances more freely in groups. Only children don't usually tend to work that way because that exposes them to situations that they are not experienced in dealing with. At the same time that also means being able to deal with being alone much more often, etc... he may be used to going into situations at full capacity (from periods of loneliness), but has never been in a situation where it builds up like it does in the house and he may not immediately recognize the root of his anxiety until several weeks in the house (with "tasks" and other melodrama like Charlie...)

If it wasn't bullocks and he had issues with shyness like he said he had, then he probably didn't have the greatest framework with managing confrontations. He may have had a harder time understanding how some people come to their conclusions because he's never had to explain himself nor be accountable for his behavior the way that most people would have to had to deal with conflict with a sibling.

He may also be finding it hard to cope in an environment where he can't build the intensity of his connections with people gradually and more methodically and instead he is forced to develop many relationships at the same time with no ability to leave or have full understanding of where people are because of the constant paranoia of "Are they game playing?"

I think he would've liked to had better control of managing his relationships with people in there but this environment is completely the opposite of the framework he's been working with (especially not living with anyone else), so he has a big disadvantage there.

I'm an only child but my circumstances were a little different. The needs of those around me came above my own most of the time. My mother was sick and so were two others in the house who had neurological disabilities and two had mental disorders.

I totally understand having to cope with the loneliness and not being able to manage multiple relationships as well as others, though I'm helped a little bit by being more of an extrovert... everything we've seen on the show tells me he is an introvert.

I know another introvert that reminds me of Jason. He gets upset at things that don't make sense because of his adult thinking. He was home schooled with another sibling, but they were both adult child (both expected to be an adult at an early age) because the father was a science teacher and had above average expectations for his kids. He still has problems coping and sees a therapist regularly. He is older than myself. It is very hard to replace experience you've missed out on at that young of an age...

[Alisch]

I can see how Jason gets so frustrated. Why is it so hard for people to realize, that different people have different personalities and just because someone is an introvert AND was partially crippled by being an only child, that person has to be bad and weird and most probably evil. Conformist much, dear Jason attackers? He just is who he is, no need to constantly demonize him.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'm wondering if this may have been just been a crappy edit on BB's part. Jason does seem like he is poor at explaining himself though and takes things way too seriously sometimes.

Being an only child could mean he had to be more independent and had to handle conflict and obstacles privately since he didn't have a sibling to confide in which would also make him more self-reliant. It could give him a sense of false infallibility around others since I notice people with siblings tend to vent their grievances more freely in groups. Only children don't usually tend to work that way because that exposes them to situations that they are not experienced in dealing with. At the same time that also means being able to deal with being alone much more often, etc... he may be used to going into situations at full capacity (from periods of loneliness), but has never been in a situation where it builds up like it does in the house and he may not immediately recognize the root of his anxiety until several weeks in the house (with "tasks" and other melodrama like Charlie...)

If it wasn't bullocks and he had issues with shyness like he said he had, then he probably didn't have the greatest framework with managing confrontations. He may have had a harder time understanding how some people come to their conclusions because he's never had to explain himself nor be accountable for his behavior the way that most people would have to had to deal with conflict with a sibling.

He may also be finding it hard to cope in an environment where he can't build the intensity of his connections with people gradually and more methodically and instead he is forced to develop many relationships at the same time with no ability to leave or have full understanding of where people are because of the constant paranoia of "Are they game playing?"

I think he would've liked to had better control of managing his relationships with people in there but this environment is completely the opposite of the framework he's been working with (especially not living with anyone else), so he has a big disadvantage there.

I'm an only child but my circumstances were a little different. The needs of those around me came above my own most of the time. My mother was sick and so were two others in the house who had neurological disabilities and two had mental disorders.

I totally understand having to cope with the loneliness and not being able to manage multiple relationships as well as others, though I'm helped a little bit by being more of an extrovert... everything we've seen on the show tells me he is an introvert.

I know another introvert that reminds me of Jason. He gets upset at things that don't make sense because of his adult thinking. He was home schooled with another sibling, but they were both adult child (both expected to be an adult at an early age) because the father was a science teacher and had above average expectations for his kids. He still has problems coping and sees a therapist regularly. He is older than myself. It is very hard to replace experience you've missed out on at that young of an age...

....hmmm, the apparent 'root of his anxieties' though, Maru...the connecting of them for him etc..?...do seem a little coincidental and convenient with him feeling a sense of losing control and how he's reacting to that...cue nomination time, cue huge hugs for Sam and I love you man...and then Sam and Jackson nominate him...so then it's, does he feel a sense of hurt about that or a sense of losing control over nominations that he felt that he had assured wouldn't go to him..?...hmmmm, he does seem to react very badly to not having control and it's the only time, I've really seen noticeable reactions/ negative behaviour from him...like Charlie discussing him with others..?..(I also do keep thinking about Charlie and her low self esteem and how a 'controlling' person may be drawn to her because of what it gives them over her emotions and hence her confusions maybe..)...anyways, I think he's very much played a game in a tactical way/methodical and non-emotional type way... but hasn't really taken into considerations the personalities and emotions of others because I do think that it's a huge weakness for him, which is why also he was so dumb-founded that many were hurt so much in him evicting Lateysha...anyways, maybe I'm being a bit harsh and cynical with thinking about the timing of his 'revelation' but I do hope that he's grown from this experience in that realising 'teamwork' and 'group' dynamics etc is very much about people and personalities/emotions as well and considering those as well as tactics....

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmm, the apparent 'root of his anxieties' though, Maru...the connecting of them for him etc..?...do seem a little coincidental and convenient with him feeling a sense of losing control and how he's reacting to that...cue nomination time, cue huge hugs for Sam and I love you man...and then Sam and Jackson nominate him...so then it's, does he feel a sense of hurt about that or a sense of losing control over nominations that he felt that he had assured wouldn't go to him..?...hmmmm, he does seem to react very badly to not having control and it's the only time, I've really seen noticeable reactions/ negative behaviour from him...like Charlie discussing him with others..?..(I also do keep thinking about Charlie and her low self esteem and how a 'controlling' person may be drawn to her because of what it gives them over her emotions and hence her confusions maybe..)...anyways, I think he's very much played a game in a tactical way/methodical and non-emotional type way... but hasn't really taken into considerations the personalities and emotions of others because I do think that it's a huge weakness for him, which is why also he was so dumb-founded that many were hurt so much in him evicting Lateysha...anyways, maybe I'm being a bit harsh and cynical with thinking about the timing of his 'revelation' but I do hope that he's grown from this experience in that realising 'teamwork' and 'group' dynamics etc is very much about people and personalities/emotions as well and considering those as well as tactics....

Great posts Ami and Maru, very interesting and reflective.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

That is an insult to all only children and people that live on their own. Jason is socially awkward because Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life. Sure he doesn't have to share them with everyone but the excuses are nonsensical.

??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

Brilliant Kirk. People are so judgmental on here it sickens me to see such immature comments with a failure to try and understand why people are like they are...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Brilliant Kirk. People are so judgmental on here it sickens me to see such immature comments with a failure to try and understand why people are like they are...

Thank you RusticGal.