[kirklancaster]

The guy was trying to explain that he was 'socially akward' because he was an only child and had lived on his own for 29 years. Both factors have a great bearing on Jason's shyness and his inability to socially intertact wih others.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The guy was trying to explain that he was 'socially akward' because he was an only child and had lived on his own for 29 years. Both factors have a great bearing on Jason's shyness and his inability to socially intertact wih others.

And finally.Common sense prevails


Atleast he did'nt start blubbering for attention like the ginger bird.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jan S

i found it pretty clear, tbh: he was explaining to his friends how he finds it easier to withdraw and think things over due to his solitary lifestyle than to open up and share things with others. he's less than ''sociable'' behaviour of withdrawing is simply because of circumstances.

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He was trying to say that as an only child he dealt with things by himself...he was trying to explain that that is why he doesn't open up to people about his problems..he retracts and deals with things himself.
Many of them seem to question why he doesn't share his feelings and that was his answer...don't see what's wrong with that
It doesn't mean that every only child is like that but that's his explanation...we don't know anything about his upbringing....people on here are too quick to judge.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The guy was trying to explain that he was 'socially akward' because he was an only child and had lived on his own for 29 years. Both factors have a great bearing on Jason's shyness and his inability to socially intertact wih others.

Yeah, all of this tbh. I just think Jason's at that point where anything he does or says will be torn apart and scrutinized.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Yeah, all of this tbh. I just think Jason's at that point where anything he does or says will be torn apart and scrutinized.

Yeah he just can't do right from wrong.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

That is an insult to all only children and people that live on their own. Jason is socially awkward because Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life. Sure he doesn't have to share them with everyone but the excuses are nonsensical.

??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

Brilliant Kirk. People are so judgmental on here it sickens me to see such immature comments with a failure to try and understand why people are like they are...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Brilliant Kirk. People are so judgmental on here it sickens me to see such immature comments with a failure to try and understand why people are like they are...

Thank you RusticGal.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

Kirk,how nice it is to get a balanced view of things instead of the childish one liners,I totally agree in what you say,Jason is awkward and finds it difficult to open up but I bet once he does he is a great conversationalist ,it just shows the lack of caring some people have for people they don't understand,he is a shining light amongst a houseful of dim candles.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

[/B]??? WTF are you talking about?

To SPECIFICALLY what are you referring, and to SPECIFICALLY who are you accusing of being insulting - Jason or me?

The second part of your post - which I have emboldened - COMPLETELY contradicts the first part of it, and the part which I have underscored completely CONTRADICTS the second part.

First you state that:
:
1) It is an insult to to "all only children and people that live on their own" for Jason to imply that his social akwardness is due to being an only child and living on his own for 29 years. (Or you are stating that I am responsible for insulting all "only children and people who live on their own" - because I am the author of the post AND the phrase 'socially akward' to which you object.)

THEN in the very next sentences, you state:

2)"Jason is socially awkward. Because of experiences unique to him and his life."

THEN in the last sentence, you state:

3)"but the excuses are nonsensical".

None of it makes much sense does it?

OF COURSE Jason was referring to 'experiences unique to him an his life' - WHOSE life experiences is he going to refer to when trying to explain why he is the way he is?

OF COURSE Jason's experience of being an only child and living for so long on his own is NOT unique to Jason, and OF COURSE such an experience will NOT have impacted upon ALL others who share that history.

BUT IT HAS AFFECTED JASON.

There are in the UK, a lot of teenagers and young adults who have spent the greater part of their lives texting, and writing and messaging on the internet, or game playing on the net, with others - some in far flung countries - and ALL executed in a smooth, adept, confident manner.

Yet, many of those people cannot engage in the most basic of conversations when in a 'real life' physical social situation, and they have NO confidence, and stammer, stutter, and flush with embarrassment at just BEING in such a situation when spoken to.

Not ALL, but definitely some.

Some practiced 'keyboard' conversationalists WILL shine just as effortlessly in a real life conversation as they do on the net etc.

BECAUSE we are ALL different.

Jason did not expound on just WHAT type of childhood he had as an 'only' child; some parents smother an only child with love and dote on it, others are as neglectful of one child as they would be 6 or 7.

Some parents play and interact with their children, others leave them for long hours, lonely and unattended - ignoring the child's screaming to boot.

Whatever Jason's experiences are, only HE knows, but the fact that HE attributes being an only child and living alone for 29 years as being contributary factors in his shyness and social awkwardness, makes sense to me - as it does, I am sure, to millions of other people, who are not biased against him to begin with, and therefore not looking so desperately to clutch at non-existent straws in their quest to discredit him further.

It is plainly evident - to any rational, honest, impartial, viewer, that Jason HAS emotional and psychological issues (as do millions of other people in this country) but it is abhorrent, that when a man, who not only DOES find it immensely difficult to 'open up' to others, but also finds it just as difficult to express himself and articulate just what he means, DOES TRY TO, is immediately and unfairly lambasted as being 'fake' and accused of 'trying to win a sympathy vote'.

You have NO evidence that Jason's "excuses are nonsensical" but are trying to claim that YOU know better than HE does as to just how his childhood experiences and single life has impacted upon his social skills and ability to be able to interact with others.

I'd be very interested in just how you are qualified to state as much.

Jeez Kirk, you went a bit hard on sassy there.
Since when do you have to be qualified to give an opinion on a forum. None of us have any evidence of anything, we're all just spouting off...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Of course my comment was aimed at Jason and not you - I've said that Jason's excuse of being an only child & living alone is insulting. Not a deliberate one, but it leads there nonetheless.

Being an only child doesn't make you socially awkward. His parent's parenting skills, a traumatic incident in his life, etc etc is the foundation. Saying that having no siblings or living alone automatically predetermines you to be socially awkward is an insult.

I've, personally, not accused Jason of going for a sympathy vote. But his excuses are nonsensical - to blame his behaviour on being an only child and living alone, saying that he thought he'd deal with his social awkwardness by going into the Big Brother House

There's nothing wrong with Jason being different. Though there is clearly a need for him to sort through his issues properly and not try and put plasters over such massive issues and pass them off as being because he's an only child.

I'm a bit confused here,some of the housemates wanted to know about him,so he told them!! , he wasn't looking for sympathy or making excuses he was telling them about his life as they said they didn't really know him,why is he getting stick because of that?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Guy Gadbois

Well, it is an insult i guess?

So if I tell someone I am an only child,I am insulting them ? Wft.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Of course my comment was aimed at Jason and not you - I've said that Jason's excuse of being an only child & living alone is insulting. Not a deliberate one, but it leads there nonetheless.

Being an only child doesn't make you socially awkward. His parent's parenting skills, a traumatic incident in his life, etc etc is the foundation. Saying that having no siblings or living alone automatically predetermines you to be socially awkward is an insult.

I've, personally, not accused Jason of going for a sympathy vote. But his excuses are nonsensical - to blame his behaviour on being an only child and living alone, saying that he thought he'd deal with his social awkwardness by going into the Big Brother House

There's nothing wrong with Jason being different. Though there is clearly a need for him to sort through his issues properly and not try and put plasters over such massive issues and pass them off as being because he's an only child.

I was not deliberately trying to come across as hard on you Sassy - I really was confused by the first part of your post.

I am still though, confused.

Jason did not actually say that "having no siblings or living alone automatically predetermines" him "to be socially awkward", though did he? And the phrase 'socially akward' is one I used not Jason.

My point is, that either Jason did not actually expound on what he was trying to say, or if he did, BB did not show us it.

I think if you replay the video, you will see the truth of the above.

As fot the apparent contradiction in Jason being 'socially akward' and him entering BB, I do not think that this is so odd, because, perhaps he has seen quiet reserved types WIN the show before, and felt that he could replicate that - WITHOUT fully realising how cut-throat people can be in there?

I think we actually agree on other points.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Not a problem, we're both just having our say, it's cool (that's a sincere smile as well lol, sometimes these smiles can come across otherwise)

I think for ease of chatting on the forum we're referring to Jason's keeping to himself, not really talking, not really joining in with the recent parties, not opening up as 'socially awkward'. He didn't use that phrase, but he was explaining that those behaviours are down to him being an only child and living alone.

In an earlier post I said he may have got a bad edit because what he said didn't flow properly. Maybe he started to talk and then decided against it because truthfully why should he open up to these housemates? But in that post I was commenting on what we saw and the only child & living alone being the sole reasons.

Your points about his issues are valid and that's why I think he should take some bigger steps to work through them rather than do a reality show which will only make them worse.

Great response Sassy.Thank you.