[Livia]

He's a dreadful mouthy southy. I've had more entertaining colds.

[MrWong]

[Jack_]

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree in part with the OP, Heavy D got off very lightly here, he was looking for trouble, bear was not shouting, the bedroom lights were not off and most were not in bed anyway.

However for the aggressive throwing of an object,damaging property, then the formal warning is justified and so would be a final one too.

However heavy D, really instigated this and had been determined to do so once given the chance, on the other side, Bear is responsible for his own behaviour, and had he handled this better and more calmly, could have got a far better outcome.

I'm no fan of Heavy D but Bear instigated the whole thing by walking around with the rose and winding Heavy up over his new snogging partner. Heavy wasn't asleep..the lights were on and people were talking. Bear knew what he was doing and Heavy was there for the taking. They are both twats. Bear was the instigator without a doubt.

[Mystic Mock]

Heavy D should've got a warning for getting up in Bear's face.

But Bear's behaviour (like Aubrey's yesterday) would've been enough to see me eject both Housemates if I was the showrunner of BB.

[Beso]

Luckily for audrey most of the forum have forgotten her direct threat tonight, not me though.

Shes the only one deserving of being ejected.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure he isn't either.

Or maybe he's just a momumental twat.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh I am not saying he is, however I would not like to be ordered to stay in a room that was small, no one else there physically and the door locked, for an unspecified amount of time.

As I said, once the guy came in the diary room, he knew the door was not locked and he could then also see someone physically too.

Maybe in his past he has been locked up a few times who knows,we do not know he is in any way claustrophobic,that is very true as Livia said but by the same token, we do not know for sure he isn't either.

As I mentioned on the other post...if he was stuck in a lift and someone opened the door...he wouldn't retreat saying "I just needed to know someone was there". I just think he likes getting his own way...and the security guard made him think twice..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Or maybe he's just a momumental twat.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and try to see all sides.

I think he is probably not a person I would like to be around but for me he is not as bad as some make him out to be, and I enjoy watching him a lot of the time.

I'd rather watch him than a few others in there for sure.

[smudgie]

The security fella took care of any constipation Bear was suffering from.
He went from full of poo to pooing himself in 3 seconds flat

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces?

Yes, it was obvious watching him, he was in sort of panic...BB should have opened the door immediately just like they should have stopped Aubrey feeding him her spit on a sandwich ....
People not liking him does not make these things right at all...Is Saira or Ricky or anyone else had displayed the distress he was in BB would have immediately gone to their aid and people on here would have kicked off big time

[hot2go]

Compared to Heavy D and Aubrey what Bear did was not anywhere near as bad. He directed his anger at himself, the other two directed their acts of violence against another person. He obv didn't mean to break the glass but Heavy def meant to threaten him last night and Aubrey def intended to spit in his food yesterday.
So few people thought Aubrey was wrong and yet they're all here saying Bear is. He's not even close to being the worst person in that house. Most of em aren't nice people and most of those are in the top of the poll on here.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving Bear able to go elsewhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,while it is true the diary room is locked, it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving bear able to go eleswhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,wile it is true the diary room is locked it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.

Can't argue with that

[Garfie]

:

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was freaking out about being locked i the diary room. Maybe a fear of locked spaces?

Seriously!?

Try alcohol fuelled aggression which we have seen again and again, and which BB revealed last night that he had been spoken to about repeatedly.

If there's any fear in Bear, it is fear of taking responsibility for his actions.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Livia

The antidote to his anxiety was a massive security guard, who calmed Bear down no end.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by BB247

Renee, Heavy-D and BB all treated him appallingly tonight

Oh, poor, poor Bear!

Renee told him a few home truths- appalling!
Heavy D responded to behaviour that was intended to humiliate and provoke him- appalling!
BB locked him in the diary room to protect the safety of others from someone who was drunk and aggressive- appalling!

You reap what you sow........

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

:

Seriously!?

Try alcohol fuelled aggression which we have seen again and again, and which BB revealed last night that he had been spoken to about repeatedly.

If there's any fear in Bear, it is fear of taking responsibility for his actions.

...also a bit of nicotine craving, I don't know if he ever had that ciggie he'd been trying to have since he left the bedroom and the craving then had been such that he said he would smoke indoors if he couldn't get outside but he WAS HAVING THAT FAG...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I'm no fan of Heavy D but Bear instigated the whole thing by walking around with the rose and winding Heavy up over his new snogging partner. Heavy wasn't asleep..the lights were on and people were talking. Bear knew what he was doing and Heavy was there for the taking. They are both twats. Bear was the instigator without a doubt.

Spot on!

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

[Liam-]

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

Exactly!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

I am not claustrophobic but I would react very strongly indeed to being put in a room, behind a locked door against my will or right, no one else there and no time frame as to how long I would be in there too.

It is not defending someone to point out a wrong as to the wrong from the other sides too.
People are usually taken to the diary room to calm down, not be aggravated further.

There are many other ways Bear could have been handled instead of locking him in the diary room.
Someone from security or another housemate he was closer too could have sat with him as has been the case with other wound up housemates.

He wasn't a perceived risk to anyone,he threw something that was all with no one else around anywhere where he was.
In fact he was the one who had actually walked away from the aggression and argument in the bedroom, to be on his own anyway.
However not to be on his own and then being 'forced' to be behind a locked door.

I think anyone would react very badly to that to be honest,and I know I certainly would.

[Absorption]

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.