[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Excuse me, I am always honest and I have repeatedly outlined here why I think falsely imprisoning anyone is wrong.

What I haven't seen from anyone is an honest answer as to would they just sit back and accept being locked in a small room, not able to see or talk to anyone face to face,and also not being told the exact amount of time they would be kept in there, or would they be mad at that if they had not physically threatened anyone as in this case.

Furthermore, I for one have said I would be outraged no matter what housemate was in that position,whether I liked them or not, so I have actually already answered your question.


I generally agree with Ammi, I do not on this one and I doubt if it was a housemate that was liked you and some others would be not be agreeing that it was wrong to in effect lock someone up against their will.

Never mind we learn things everyday as to how people think and just for the record too, I am not a Bear fan, I do not want him to win but I would, I repeat, be making the same argument I am for him for any other housemate falsely imprisoned against their will, and that is what it was,for any amount of time.
No matter what I thought of the housemate

You may think that right, I for sure do not, no way, never.
Just because it has happened before for differing circumstances also still does not make it right.

However I have not yet come across any housemate being forced to be in the locked diary room,against their will and not being told how long it will be before they will be allowed out.
Even usually it is asked if they want another housemate with them.

He was before the throwing object actually less volatile than heavy D was,yet you conveniently bypass heavy D's part in this getting more aggravated than it possibly needed to be.
Heavy D however comes out angelic in this, yet he was the one perving on a younger female and what she was doing with Bear, watching their every move from a distance determined to also get an argument with Bear as to that..
That's pretty sick to me actually..

My post was for Bear supporters and you have already said you don't care for him.
My honest answer to your question is if I had thrown a glass with all my might and broken a window I would be in no position to argue with anyone who wanted to keep me locked in a room until they got a bed ready for me. It wouldn't be something that would particularly bother me. Call me a liar if you like, but that is the truth. It is probably written in the BB manual that this could happen to HM's if BB deems it necessary.
I don't like Bear OR Heavy D, but Heavy was lying in his bed minding his own business and NOT looking for an argument when Bear came in and proceeded to try to provoke him. Do you agree with this? Whether Heavy is perving on Chloe or not, is a different discussion, what is relevant is that Bear was again winding him up by kissing her when Heavy was around and watching, so Heavy was already wound up when Bear came into the bedroom. Then when Heavy gets angry HE is wrong, but Bear isn't...?
On that occasion Heavy didn't break anything, he wasn't drunk and he hadn't had previous warnings for aggressive behaviour as far as we know. Bear did break something, he was under the influence of drink, and he had had previous warnings.

Everyone has things that pushes their buttons and gets them angry. On this occasion yours is someone being locked in a room against their will for a period of time, mine is someone repeatedly and deliberately provoking another person to get an angry reaction, no matter who it is doing the provoking. We are all different and one man's meat is another man's poison. Just because what gets your goat up is different than what gets someone else's up doesn't mean you are being fair and other people aren't.
You obviously feel very strongly about this issue and I respect that, but feeling differently about people because they don't feel the same as you I can't respect.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

My post was for Bear supporters and you have already said you don't care for him.
My honest answer to your question is if I had thrown a glass with all my might and broken a window I would be in no position to argue with anyone who wanted to keep me locked in a room until they got a bed ready for me. It wouldn't be something that would particularly bother me. Call me a liar if you like, but that is the truth. It is probably written in the BB manual that this could happen to HM's if BB deems it necessary.
I don't like Bear OR Heavy D, but Heavy was lying in his bed minding his own business and NOT looking for an argument when Bear came in and proceeded to try to provoke him. Do you agree with this? Whether Heavy is perving on Chloe or not, is a different discussion, what is relevant is that Bear was again winding him up by kissing her when Heavy was around and watching, so Heavy was already wound up when Bear came into the bedroom. Then when Heavy gets angry HE is wrong, but Bear isn't...?
On that occasion Heavy didn't break anything, he wasn't drunk and he hadn't had previous warnings for aggressive behaviour as far as we know. Bear did break something, he was under the influence of drink, and he had had previous warnings.

Everyone has things that pushes their buttons and gets them angry. On this occasion yours is someone being locked in a room against their will for a period of time, mine is someone repeatedly and deliberately provoking another person to get an angry reaction, no matter who it is doing the provoking. We are all different and one man's meat is another man's poison. Just because what gets your goat up is different than what gets someone else's up doesn't mean you are being fair and other people aren't.
You obviously feel very strongly about this issue and I respect that, but feeling differently about people because they don't feel the same as you I can't respect.

There are people on here I have respected for a long time who I believed to be fairer than they have been on this issue and who I am stunned at their stance on anyone being falsely imprisoned, when so many options were and should have been used.
They have just finished a task where the artificials slept separately anyway, it should have been that a room was instantly ready.
I am actually stunned you or anyone thinks that throwing something and breaking a mirror should warrant someone being locked up.
Had he gone to or had hit someone,even with the object, then I'd agree.
he did not and he threw the object knowing not a single person was anywhere near him.
Yet you would have society lock someone up for that, god help society then.


It was Heavy D who came out of his supposed sleep, a sleep he was perfectly able to sleep even with so many others talking in the bedroom but not however and oddly as soon as Bear came in.
Hardly minding his own business in my view as you describe.

He was, in my view, more likely waiting for Bear to come in, to then use any opportunity to get at him for him being madly and pathetically jealous of him and Chloe.
You can excuse and bypass that all you like.

Anyway, there it is and quite frankly now I couldn't care what you think of me or whether you respect or disrespect me either jet.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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There are people on here I have respected for a long time who I believed to be fairer than they have been on this issue and who I am stunned at their stance on anyone being falsely imprisoned, when so many options were and should have been used.
They have just finished a task where the artificials slept separately anyway, it should have been that a room was instantly ready.
I am actually stunned you or anyone thinks that throwing something and breaking a mirror should warrant someone being locked up.
Had he gone to or had hit someone,even with the object, then I'd agree.
he did not and he threw the object knowing not a single person was anywhere near him.
Yet you would have society lock someone up for that, god help society then.


It was Heavy D who came out of his supposed sleep, a sleep he was perfectly able to sleep even with so many others talking in the bedroom but not however and oddly as soon as Bear came in.
Hardly minding his own business in my view as you describe.

He was, in my view, more likely waiting for Bear to come in, to then use any opportunity to get at him for him being madly and pathetically jealous of him and Chloe.
You can excuse and bypass that all you like.

Anyway, there it is and quite frankly now I couldn't care what you think of me or whether you respect or disrespect me either jet.

I said I respected your feelings on the matter, what I didn't respect was you saying you felt differently about people who didn't feel as you do.
What more can I say? Pretend I agree with you when I don't see it as big an issue as you?
And of course I respect you, I think very highly of you indeed. I think your emotions on this subject are running very high and I understand how that feels. Peace my friend.