[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Brother gone.. brain tumor. Thanks God. Great job.
He's a keeper ain't he?

Yes, and humanity (both religious and non religious) have, still now and will continue to ponder questions about reasons for cases such as this and natural disasters. What's your point?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Questions that everyone, even people of faith have asked, even Jesus asked the question when he was on the cross.. He said '' why have you deserted me?'' . But god knows the long term plan. Our idea of what a god should be like is just that, our idea. In our mind if there really is a god, no disease, no war, not etc but as he says this is not his world. If someone dies, maybe it was just their time.

''A real god would want everyone to live forever and death pain and suffering would never be an option'' this is what he wants for all of us but not down here. Lucifer was one of his angels then he developed jealousy etc. He was banished from heaven. We're basically Lucifer's little puppets down here and the words that God gave us through the bible are like the tools we should take advantage of to survive the best we can down here.

All your beliefs are down to which book you picked up and read. You could have easily picked up another book and be voicing your opinion on that book as your truth.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, and humanity (both religious and non religious) have, still now and will continue to ponder questions about reasons for cases such as this and natural disasters. What's your point?

Please remember that God is always watching apparently before you post comments like this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

All your beliefs are down to which book you picked up and read. You could have easily picked up another book and be voicing your opinion on that book as your truth.

Who are you to dictate to CeeCee where her beliefs originate?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Please remember that God is always watching apparently before you post comments like this.

Oh, so you'll just continue to be non-constructive. Got it.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who are you to dictate to CeeCee where her beliefs originate?

But God can dictate and you have no issue on calling him out? Explain?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

But God can dictate and you have no issue on calling him out? Explain?

What on earth are you waffling on about now?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh, so you'll just continue to be non-constructive. Got it.

The bible teaches love and respect to others. When will you follow it's teachings?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

The bible teaches love and respect to others. When will you follow it's teachings?

Who said I should and why do you care if I did?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said I should and why do you care if I did?

Ask God he has all the answers?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Brother gone.. brain tumor. Thanks God. Great job.
He's a keeper ain't he?

God created everything we NEED- land, water, vegetation, earth, animals everything NEED to survive.

All was good until Eve and Adam was tempted and released everything that god did not want us to suffer with. There are passages that say disease is from the devil. I think that's why when Pastors pray for people with disease they say the DEVIL IS A LIAR.

You can blame god for your family dying but were they people of faith, did they even attempt to pray more than once persistently? God is not your puppet you can't ignore his rules most of the times and expect things to always go well that one time.

Having said that, I'm sorry to hear about your family.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Ask God he has all the answers?

Are you going to actually contribute something to the discussion or keep making random unrelated remarks?

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are you going to actually contribute something to the discussion or keep making random unrelated remarks?

Besides trying to bait people online what else do you offer?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Besides trying to bait people online what else do you offer?

Where have I baited you?

You're the one incapable of engaging in discussion.

[waterhog]

this debate is getting very heated - I suggest the platform ends here.

[Northern Monkey]

So when you go to hell you burn in an eternal fire?You feel pain for eternity?
How is it possible when your soul is no longer connected to your brain or your nerves basically your body?Pain is a physical reaction,How would one feel pain(a physical reaction) without physically existing?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So when you go to hell you burn in an eternal fire?You feel pain for eternity?
How is it possible when your soul is no longer connected to your brain or your nerves basically your body?Pain is a physical reaction,How would one feel pain(a physical reaction) without physically existing?

Well how do you know what it's like to exist as a soul?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

God created everything we NEED- land, water, vegetation, earth, animals everything NEED to survive.

All was good until Eve and Adam was tempted and released everything that god did not want us to suffer with. There are passages that say disease is from the devil. I think that's why when Pastors pray for people with disease they say the DEVIL IS A LIAR.

You can blame god for your family dying but were they people of faith,ndid they even attempt to pray more than once persistently? God is not your puppet you can't ignore his rules most of the times and expect things to always go well that one time.

Having said that, I'm sorry to hear about your family.

Are you a creationist?

[Kizzy]

I'm a firm believer in god and would go as far as to say that the conscience is maybe the guiding light that we should all listen to, too many ignore theirs and sadly a growing number don't appear to have one at all.

I also believe free will is a powerful tool, and can be ulilised to great effect however as many don't have a clue how to use it can find themselves leading a life that driven by negativity and ill will, radiating this attracts the same back.

What I am trying to say is I feel god gave us all a platform, yet it's at best misunderstood.

[Jessica.]

There is no God.

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[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well how do you know what it's like to exist as a soul?

I don't personally believe in such a thing as a soul but the idea is that it transcends the physical restraints of the body.Without the mechanisms of the body then pain does not exist as it is a physical reaction created by the body to warn us to stop doing whatever it is we're doing that is harming us.Does a soul have pain receptors,a brain or nerves just like a physical body?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I don't personally believe in such a thing as a soul but the idea is that it transcends the physical restraints of the body.Without the mechanisms of the body then pain does not exist as it is a physical reaction created by the body to warn us to stop doing whatever it is we're doing that is harming us.Does a soul have pain receptors,a brain or nerves just like a physical body?

Well, that's what I was getting at. If we do indeed have souls then we don't really know anything about them or how they work.

[Johnnyuk123]

I remember as a child kneeling at the foot of my bed once asking God a question. I never got a response. I wasn't asking for material things for Christmas or to get the math teacher at school that i didn't like sacked. I simply asked him that as the creator of everything why did he create cancer? He never got back to me.

[Alf]

I am God

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

I remember as a child kneeling at the foot of my bed once asking God a question. I never got a response. I wasn't asking for material things for Christmas or to get the math teacher at school that i didn't like sacked. I simply asked him that as the creator of everything why did he create cancer? He never got back to me.

Sorry to hear about all the loss you have had Johnny. It sounds like you have had a pretty rough go of it </3

I think you are missing something within this conversation with Marsh. Marsh hasn't claimed to be a believer or to hold to one type of religious belief over another... he is just arguing for CeCe's right to her own belief. So asking him about how he justifies different religious doctrines that stem from the Bible and the Christian religious is a mute point...because he isn't saying he follows the bible or is a Christian himself.

Also, different religions have different origin stories and different gods...so you can't group all religion into one heading on many of your arguments.

That being said... I am not a believer myself... and I understand where you are coming from. There is no God to blame for your losses... imo... it is just the nature of life itself, and the type of world we, as in our current society of people, have created to live in. Some of it is down to no rhyme or reason...some is due to our environment and circumstance. It sucks that so many tragic circumstances have hit you and your loved ones. No one deserved or earned it though...it just happens.