[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well just to clarify... I mentioned Joe Public,which is every last one of us is it not?
Not just those who wanted brexit EVERYONE.

We were then and continue to be by definition ill informed, as there was only misinformation prior to the referendum and NO subsequent information to be had in relation to brexit..... Remember? 'Brexit means brexit', that in my opinion does not quantify as information which serves any purpose it is simply a nonsense statement.

I'm not mystic.... That is just how it is I'm afraid, sorry if anyone' bubble was burst. My statement however bold was perfectly valid.

Exactly.

I still do not get how this thread, related to Hillary Clinton supporters and the USA election has been taken down a different road and into yet another EU leaving thread.

However, you keep making your points, I do not consider any points made by anyone wrong from their own perspectives, which is really all what anyone's opinions are.
I most certainly do not consider yours ill informed in any way either, so you hold on to your views and don't take any notice of possibly any trying to possibly then trying to claim any high ground over you.
Where and how you have come to stand on issues is as important as anyone else.

On and off here, all people have their truths as they see them and others have differing ones, from whatever and how they are looking at things too.

Adding more and more put downs and near insults just for differing views means an argument is likely to be lost by whoever chooses to do the put downs.
Anyway, good points in what I have put in bold of your post there as like you that is all I have heard, brexit means brexit, nothing else of real substance whatsoever.
That is hardly informing anyone and no one can even yet say at this time, just what the real and full picture of brexit is going to be, no one, no matter their own reasons why they voted for same.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly.

I still do not get how this thread, related to Hillary Clinton supporters and the USA election has been taken down a different road and into yet another EU leaving thread.

However, you keep making your points, I do not consider any points made by anyone wrong from their own perspectives, which is really all what anyone's opinions are.
I most certainly do not consider yours ill informed in any way either, so you hold on to your views and don't take any notice of possibly any trying to possibly then trying to claim any high ground over you.
Where and how you have come to stand on issues is as important as anyone else.

On and off here, all people have their truths as they see them and others have differing ones, from whatever and how they are looking at things too.

Adding more and more put downs and near insults just for differing views means an argument is likely to be lost by whoever chooses to do the put downs.
Anyway, good points in what I have put in bold of your post there as like you that is all I have heard, brexit means brexit, nothing else of real substance whatsoever.
That is hardly informing anyone and no one can even yet say at this time, just what the real and full picture of brexit is going to be, no one, no matter their own reasons why they voted for same.

Thank you Joey, I have learned on here to simply state my truths and disregard anyone who attempts to stifle my voice in an attempt to dominate the conversation.
I really hope the part in bold makes my feelings crystal clear on this issue, I don't know how it got to brexit either But it kind of fits due to the media driven hype surrounding both issue.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Exactly.

I still do not get how this thread, related to Hillary Clinton supporters and the USA election has been taken down a different road and into yet another EU leaving thread.

It's ALL there in the thread Joey if read through chronologically, but:

THE FIRST DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - POST 98 - BY DEZZY: "Don't forget those hateful remoaners and their sour grapes!"

THE SECOND DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - POST 102 BY DEZZY: "Most voters are uninformed, they'll make their decisions based on the soundbites and the headlines. That goes for most people on both sides of any vote. Brexit had so much support because the Brexit campaign lied about £350 million being freed up by leaving EU and that leaving would curb immigration which it wouldn't. The actual pros and cons of any election rarely come into it which is likely why Trump won despite the fact that his policies are flawed. People bought into the soundbites rather than the reality."

THE THIRD DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - A RESPONSE POST 105 BY BRILLOPAD TO DEZZY'S EU POST: "That is beyond patronising. I completely disagree that most voters are uninformed and gullible. People are generally well educated and interested in the politics of their own country because, despite your implications, they have enough sense to know how such policies can influence their lives.

Both sides lied, not least Cameron and Osborne with project fear. I have no doubt that because of Brexit we will retain a tighter control of our borders in the future, to ignore the voters would be political suicide for some and would have enormous negative consequences for the democratic voting system in this country.

You clearly seem to think you know better than most people in this country, but somehow I seriously doubt that."

THE FOURTH DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - A RESPONSE POST 111 BY JAMES: "From what I can see most people get their opinions on subjects like the EU over a number of years. It's been talked about for ages. Probably nightly TV news is the main source. I doubt political campaigns make much difference actually.

I was looking back, and here is a poll from before the EU referendum campaign that had Leave in the lead - http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...&postcount=882 before any buses with £350 million slogans appeared.

I'm talking about UK politics here - don't know enough about US politics to say much about the reasons for that. Although for what I can see the campaign there was mostly about personality and character of the candidates, with actual policies hardly talked about.

THE FIFTH DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - A RESPONSE POST 116 BY DEZZY TO JAMES: "It went back and forth for ages iirc and plus it doesn't really disprove what I'm saying about a lot of people not really being informed.

Brexit mostly became a vote on immigration by the end although leaving the EU would have little effect on our immigration policies. Most people likely voted Leave or Remain on that issue alone although neither option would have an affect on it. That's rather uninformed."

AND WHAT WAS THE STIMULUS WHICH BROUGHT ME TO RESPON

THE SIXTH DEVIATION FROM THE OP SUBJECT ONTO THE EU - A RESPONSE POST NUMBER 118 BY KIZZY TO BRILLOPA"....No. joe public does not have a clue what is about to theoretically knee him in the nads concerning brexit."

I hope that this now clarifies the mystery for you Joey.




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