[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

That is a ridiculous analogy. Clearly becoming a nunn is a choice, but knowing how oppressive certain religions can be towards women casts considerable doubt as to how much 'choice' women really have to cover themselves.

This really annoys me because there would probably be uproar on here if gay or black men were forced/conditioned (amounts to the same) to wear such restrictive clothing, but when many men in particular, appear to have such an apathetic reaction to women having to do so it reeks of sexist undertones to me.

And what of women who choose to wear the Hijab or Burka? Are they, ironically considering your stance, not allowed to make that choice for themselves?

The only ridiculous analogy in this thread thus far has been yours about the gays. It doesn't really make a lick of sense.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And what of women who choose to wear the Hijab or Burka? Are they, ironically considering your stance, not allowed to make that choice for themselves?

The only ridiculous analogy in this thread thus far has been yours about the gays. It doesn't really make a lick of sense.

Of course it does! Again you show a lack of concern for the detrimental effects of such effects of religous/cultural oppression of women and constantly try to suggest no such conditioning could possibly be occurring in Britain.

Suggesting or agreeing that there is any correlation between the wearing of a nunns' habit and a woman in a burka is absurd. One is clearly based on choice. The other is not so clear.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Of course it does! Again you show a lack of concern for the detrimental effects of such effects of religous/cultural oppression of women and constantly try to suggest no such conditioning could possibly be occurring in Britain.

Suggesting or agreeing that there is any correlation between the wearing of a nunns' habit and a woman in a burka is absurd. One is clearly based on choice. The other is not so clear.

I believe in freedom of choice, that means accepting choices that I might not agree with. I'm not going to make out that the Hijab/burka is evil and women shouldn't wear it even if they want to while accepting religious practices that are similar but are okay because I don't mind the religion in question. That's hypocritical.

I'm against oppression, I think this story is disgusting but I'm not ignorant enough to pretend that this is reflective of millions of people and their beliefs. There are plenty of muslims who choose not to wear a hijab and they have as much right to do so as muslims that choose to don the hijab.

It's ignorant and downright patronising to act like most muslim women don't have a choice in the matter.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I believe in freedom of choice, that means accepting choices that I might not agree with. I'm not going to make out that the Hijab/burka is evil and women shouldn't wear it even if they want to while accepting religious practices that are similar but are okay because I don't mind the religion in question. That's hypocritical.

I'm against oppression, I think this story is disgusting but I'm not ignorant enough to pretend that this is reflective of millions of people and their beliefs. There are plenty of muslims who choose not to wear a hijab and they have as much right to do so as muslims that choose to don the hijab.

It's ignorant and downright patronising to act like most muslim women don't have a choice in the matter.

Some women may have choice, but my concerns are for those that don't, the apparent apathy of some men on the oppression of women and the allowing of such oppressive practices in the Western world and bowing down to political correctness. It's actually political bullying.