[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What a nasty allegation - to try and discredit my options no doubt.

I dislike terrorists, bullies and misogynists - what is your problem with that?

Sorry if it offends your sensibilities if I am not as naive and gullible as some.

Some would argue that suggesting refugess should go back in warzones would make them a bit of terrorist and a bully. (Im sure this isnt what youre really suggesting though). But I have seen you stick up for women on other threads, I'll let you have your third point.
You don't offend me, you confuse me.. I don't think youre naive or gullible, I think you follow your hatred down a weird and senseless path.

I think you would do well to put yourself or your friends and family in peoples place when you read articles, you'd be surprised how fast it will change your entire thouhts on stories.
Britain becomes a warzone, your friends are being slaughtered around you, you and your family find refuge in any country, (you choose). You're joined by 1.3m other refugess who are also grieving the loss of their friends. 3% of you get jobs in the new country although more of you have tried. You all get labelled Christians, ten of those 1.3m christians is a terrorist. Isis takes responsibility for their actions (why would they not)
as you have suggested, you and your family and 1.299m innocent children, women and fathers should go back to the warzone to face your imminent death. Is that still fair?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Some would argue that suggesting refugess should go back in warzones would make them a bit of terrorist and a bully. (Im sure this isnt what youre really suggesting though). But I have seen you stick up for women on other threads, I'll let you have your third point.
You don't offend me, you confuse me.. I don't think youre naive or gullible, I think you follow your hatred down a weird and senseless path. I think you would do well to put yourself or your friends and family in peoples place when you read articles, you'd be surprised how fast it will change your entire thouhts on stories.

Refugees can go to the first safe country, as part of the EU agreement, not make a beeline for Britain or other wealthy Western countries who will provide them with free services. If that country becomes overloaded they will be dispersed into other neighbouring countries. They are supposed to be refugees not economic migrants.

As for your other patronising comments I don't need you to give me anything neither am I intimidated by your constant 'hatred' rhetoric. If you really want to address hatred maybe looking a bit closer at Muslim idealism and doctrine might be advisable.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Refugees can go to the first safe country, as part of the EU agreement, not make a beeline for Britain or other wealthy Western countries who will provide them with free services. If that country becomes overloaded they will be dispersed into other neighbouring countries. They are supposed to be refugees not economic migrants.

As for your other patronising comments I don't need you to give me anything neither am I intimidated by your constant 'hatred' rhetoric. If you really want to address hatred maybe looking a bit closer at Muslim idealism and doctrine might be advisable.

Anyone can look at any religious script from thousands of years ago and find some hatred. Literally any religion. It means little. We dont presume every Christian hates gays etc, why would we look for faults in other religions and wack them all with the same branch.

I think you like to think that individual differences dont exist and all people of the same culture/ethnicity/race/religion are the same. Have a chat with any child, they'll teach you something different.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Anyone can look at any religious script from thousands of years ago and find some hatred. Literally any religion. It means little. We dont presume every Christian hates gays etc, why would we look for faults in other religions and wack them all with the same branch.

I think you like to think that individual differences dont exist and all people of the same culture/ethnicity/race/religion are the same. Have a chat with any child, they'll teach you something different.

Is that what you think I think - good for you. What I do think is that I have some understanding of the depth and power of the type of idiology and doctrine instilled from birth by some religions.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Is that what you think I think - good for you. What I do think is that I have some understanding of the depth and power of the type of idiology and doctrine instilled from birth by some religions.

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

This is true.I agree.Islam is still stuck in the past more than the other big two religions.It is still medieval in most Islamic societies.Yes there are more modernised western Muslims who have moved away from the more devout side but many in the west still haven't.Also most Muslims don't live in the west and when large numbers of them are introduced into civilised societies there is an unavoidable clash.The best thing would be for those backward Islamic countries to move forwards into the present but that can take hundreds of years.Judaism and Christianity weren't always as forward thinking as they've become and Islam is still younger by a few hundred years.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Xenophobia is about having issues with people from other countries, I don't, that's your words not mine. I like meeting people from other countries and hearing about life in their countries.

I don't like controlling religions of which Islam is one of the worst. It is naive and stupid to underestimate the power and control they yield by indoctrination. That's what is actually dangerous as we are seeing every day.

Knowing a few Muslims who are not like that does not make your opinion an informed one or make you any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Of course people are different, we wouldn't be having this disagreement if they weren't, but religous ideology doesn't support differences and it's indoctrination goes very deep.

I think this is pretty well said. I'm one of the most accepting people out there, I've travelled my whole life... but calling people xenophobic, racist etc, when they just arent is just plain pathetic. Look at who the US have as a president now. Its (imo) because so many people throw out the 'Racist!!!' 'Sexist!!!' 'Xenophobic!!!!' etc insult when they are losing an argument and don't want other people to see the opposite belief to theirs as something worth listening to.

And like I've said before, I dont post in serious debates very often, because I'm not that great at typing things out... but I'm very passionate about my beliefs and the name calling/ganging up on those with this type of beliefs is pretty disgusting.

I'm not all that surprised though. So many people on the internet have this really irritating 'We must accept everyone for who they are, unless they say something we dont like' ideology.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

There is human decency, then there is stupidity like when we took 25 year old "children" from Calais and left 8 year olds behind, mainly because the adults know how to work the system, there is human decency like taking genuine refugees from camps in Syria, or stupidity in opening your borders to all in sundry, enabling the people traffickers and ensuring genuine refugees got stepped over and left behind

[James]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

You happy with this post James? Insulting a forum member?

Alright I've deleted that. First time it's been brought to mods' attention. There's a number of posts in the thread that are similar in tone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats where your whacking everybody with the same brush and ignoring individual differences comes in. Its a little naive, a little xenophobic and a little simplistic and quite dangerous.

Originally Posted by Withano

You're joined by 1.3m other refugess who are also grieving the loss of their friends.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Make Christmas Great Again

Accidentally proving my point is a great adaptation to the thread.